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Re: Which event for Laura Roesler? [split]

Postby CookyMonzta » Thu Mar 22, 2012 3:43 pm

Which remains to be seen. A low-to-mid-50 in a relay will surely be the game-changer in this discussion and probably for Laura as well. I'll bet my horse money on it! 8-)
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Re: Which event for Laura Roesler? [split]

Postby gh » Thu Mar 22, 2012 4:05 pm

for me, a mid/low relay 50 means Roesler might have an outside chance at making the OT 400 final, whereas it almost guarantees (casting tactical flaws aside for the moment) an 800 spot.
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Re: Which event for Laura Roesler? [split]

Postby CookyMonzta » Thu Mar 22, 2012 4:48 pm

With Jearl Miles-Clark (49.40/1:56.40) as her pro coach, perhaps?
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Re: Which event for Laura Roesler? [split]

Postby Jacksf » Thu Mar 22, 2012 5:37 pm

gh wrote:To me, the bottom line on Roesler is simple: she was good enough as a high schooler to make the OT in the 800; she wasn't remotely on the radar in the 400. Why would anybody think of her as a sprinter of any sort?

Not true.
In 2010 at World Junior Championships, she ran on the gold medal 4x400 relay team as a high schooler.
"The team of Texas prep Diamond Dixon (54.3), Stacey-Ann Smith (52.1) of Texas, North Dakota high schooler Laura Roesler (52.3) and Regina George (52.5) of Arkansas zipped to a 3:31.20, the fastest junior time in the world this year."

And Laura's split was as good as any of her teammates, some of them collegians.

Regarding her training, if her high school training was 'general', and her university training is specific for the 800m, and yet her best 800m time is from almost 4 yrs ago as a high schooler; then I would certainly conclude that the 800m is NOT her best event.

One last point - as I've said on countless different threads - 400m speed does not make an 800m runner.
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Re: Which event for Laura Roesler? [split]

Postby 26mi235 » Thu Mar 22, 2012 5:56 pm

Look at the post above yours.
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Re: Which event for Laura Roesler? [split]

Postby Jacksf » Thu Mar 22, 2012 6:19 pm

400m speed does not necessarily/usually translate to 800m speed.
We've been over this so many times. There are a few exceptions, but really just a few.
Let's not re-hash that.

Laura probably runs the 400m faster than any other collegiate 800m runner in the country.
But she is not even the fastest 800m at Oregon, let alone the country! And she is not getting faster at the 800m even though her 400m speed is improving.
On the other hand, she seems to be the fastest 400m runner at Oregon, even though she is training for the 800m!
See how backwards that is!?
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Re: Which event for Laura Roesler? [split]

Postby duckedup » Thu Mar 22, 2012 9:33 pm

^i lean to his side.
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Re: Which event for Laura Roesler? [split]

Postby preston » Fri Mar 23, 2012 5:03 am

Wow, I don't think that I've ever disagreed with gh more.
gh wrote: the fact that she was able to win at everything from 100 through cross country suggests to me that her training (and like everybody else here, I'm talking through my hat if I say actually know anyhting about the specifics of how she trained then or now) was more "general" than anything else and her natural abilities were shining through, making it clear that the 800 is her event.


In the article it SPECIFICALLY states that she was trying to qualify for the trials at 800m; the sprinting was only her speedwork (from what I could gather, which like you, is because I can't possibly know more). Did you even read the training that she did? It was anything but general; it wasn't even unconventional. What it wasn't was sprint work. And, sprinting is NOT developed by running distance. That is the part that gh and all the other "next Mary Decker" types keep conveniently dismissing: she was being trained to be the next Mary Decker.

gh wrote:for me, a mid/low relay 50 means Roesler might have an outside chance at making the OT 400 final, whereas it almost guarantees (casting tactical flaws aside for the moment) an 800 spot.


Thoughout this thread examples have been given of "sprinters" who had less than Roessler like speed at 16, in high school, and in some cases in college; yet, they made US Teams, or made global finals, and in at least one case won a global championships. But, for Roessler, if she were to embark on the sprint path she only has a chance at an OT final? Why? And if her speed guarantees an 800 spot then how come she didn't make the NCAA finals?
gh wrote:... because if she's to be a figure on the national/world stage in the 800, she has to have that kind of speed.

But, what you miss, again, is THAT kind of speed -the speed she exibited as a SOPHOMORE in high school- is the SAME kind of speed that sprinters use to become international sprint stars!! And, not because she won a state title in North Dakota; her times would have made her a top 16 year old nearly anywhere in the world, including Jamaica. In fact, she was as fast as the defending Olympic champion, Fraser-Pryce, at 16, and faster than Kaleise Spencer.

I have no idea if she's an 800m runner; she could be, but it's nearly criminal to say that an 11.9/53.25 sprinter from North Dakota couldn't have been a top 400m prospect.
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Re: Which event for Laura Roesler? [split]

Postby gh » Fri Mar 23, 2012 6:07 am

Mary Decker? When did her name jump into the conversation? You convince me of nothing by putting words in my mouth.

There's no comparing the two. And if I were paint them as alike, I'd be projecting Roesler as a future 5K star, a pure distance runner.
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Re: Which event for Laura Roesler? [split]

Postby preston » Fri Mar 23, 2012 7:04 am

gh wrote:Mary Decker? When did her name jump into the conversation? You convince me of nothing by putting words in my mouth.

gh, I didn't put words in your mouth. You managed to spit these gems out all by yourself on the first page of this split thread...
gh wrote:If she can't make the step up to the mile in Eugene, unlikely she'll do it anywhere. But she does have the Decker-like wheels to move on up to international class.

She is also compared to Mary Decker in the following article that also addresses her training. http://runningtimes.com/Article.aspx?ArticleID=13711
gh wrote:...There's no comparing the two. And if I were paint them as alike, I'd be projecting Roesler as a future 5K star, a pure distance runner.

OK, throwing aside the fact that you already found SOME similarity, now you say that she is a PURE distance runner? :shock: How many pure distance runners exhibit 11.9/53.25/52r speed as sophomore's in high school, gh? And, how many of them are running the 5k now? I'm going to ignore the entire energy systems for training these vastly different events and the physiology...5k? Your knowledge database is far deeper than mine so please, show me another athlete who fits this criteria why you would even include her. There must be a predecessor.

failing that, here are a list of other pure distance runners, from this thread (which some of you conveniently omit from your posts), who Roessler was either faster than or as fast as in high school or at the age of 16.

Jearl Miles, Monica Hargrove, Mary Wineberg, Jana Rawlinson-Pittman AUS, Monique Hennagan, Alison Peter ISV, Sheniqua Furguson BAH, Jura Levy JAM, Jeneba Tarmoh, Kaleise Spencer JAM, Shelly-Ann Frase JAM

please look at the 2004 Jamaica girls champs results below from their equivalent sophomore, junior and senior class results (3,2,1) and tell me which one is the pure distance runner.

Class 3 (Sophomore)
1 Wilkins, Bobbygaye Holmwood Technical 55.57 9 (ran on JAM 4x4)
2 Cole, Shakeeri EDA 56.15 7
3 Griffiths, Shelleen Vere Technical High 56.21 6
4 McDERMOT, Latoya St. Andrew High 56.23 5
5 Reid, Kenesha Pemboke Hall High 57.07 4
6 Williams, Nadishe Vere Technical High 58.12 3
7 Blair, Taneisha Holmwood Technical 58.56 2
8 Haye, Yanique St.Jago High 1:01.26 1

Class 2 (Juniors)
1 Sutherland, Sonita Holmwood Technical 52.41M 9
2 Pinnock, Sherene EDA 53.60 7
3 Stewart, Sharnetter Vere Technical High 53.73 6
4 Bolt, Jeraine Holmwood Technical 55.15 5
5 Spencer, Kaliese Mannings High 55.92 4 (Daegu 4th)
6 Simpson, Stephanie Manchester High 56.86 3
7 Sutherland, Andrea EDA 56.97 2
8 Wilson, Crystal Queens High School 58.40 1

Class 1 (Seniors)
1 McLAUGHLIN, Anneisha Holmwood Technical 52.80 9
2 Wisdom, Maris Vere Technical High 53.31 7
3 Williams, Shericka St.Elizabeth Tech. 53.52 6
4 Cole, Nyoka Holmwood Technical 53.95 5
5 Anderson, Nickesha HERB 54.54 4
6 Page, Kashain St.Jago High 56.61 3
7 McKENZIE, Arusha St. Andrew High 57.25 2
8 Wilson, Nickiesha Convent OF Mercy 58.10 1 Osaka finalist
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Re: Which event for Laura Roesler? [split]

Postby 26mi235 » Fri Mar 23, 2012 7:09 am

preston wrote:I have no idea if she's an 800m runner; she could be, but it's nearly criminal to say that an 11.9/53.25 sprinter from North Dakota couldn't have been a top 400m prospect.


Well, if this is the best evidence then you need to consider: 53.25 -> 49.25 (47.60) = 4.00 5.65) seconds, is as 2:03.05 is to 1:53.80 (1:49.99).

This comparison says that to get to top-level 400 running takes a bigger reduction in her marks than top-level 800 running requires. It clearly is not obvious that the 400 is best . As for sprint training, was that in reference to the push for the Trials? If so, it leaves out up to 90% of her career to that point (note she won and placed in the State Meet as a 7th and 8th grader) and had been working on the sprints since an early age. The State XC crown came in the second half of high school, if I recall correctly.

What seems to be lost here is that some people have a very narrow range of (relative) excellence and other people's range is broad. LR's is as broad as they get, having ranged by a factor of 40 in her state blue ribbons.

I continue to think that her best chance of being world-class is in the 800 where her 400 speed continues than in the 400 where her speed is relatively ordinary.

[As for comparison with what other runners ran at the same age, that is misleading in more cases than not because these are atypical athletes and they push hard and naturally get better at different ages, and LR was winning state championships before high school (Six straight titles...).
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Re: Which event for Laura Roesler? [split]

Postby preston » Fri Mar 23, 2012 7:48 am

26mi235 wrote:Well, if this is the best evidence then you need to consider: 53.25 -> 49.25 (47.60) = 4.00 5.65) seconds, is as 2:03.05 is to 1:53.80 (1:49.99).

This comparison says that to get to top-level 400 running takes a bigger reduction in her marks than top-level 800 running requires. It clearly is not obvious that the 400 is best .

You're missing the point. So forgive me for spacing this out because I've written it previously and I really want you to understand: SHE....WAS...NOT...BEING...TRAINED...AS...A...SPRINTER. HAD...SHE...BEEN...THE...53.25...MIGHT...BE...MUCH...FASTER. You're not making like:like comparisons. It's not as if she was training to be a great 4/8 girl - she wasn't; she wanted to run a great 8 and the 4 just happened to be part of her racing.

Let me make this argument differently so that the distance side (because from where I sit this seems to be a "jets" and "sharks" battle) can put down their arms for a second: Quincy Watts ran 43.50 in Barcelona to win at the age of 22. His PB at 100 and 200 of 10.30 and 20.50 go back to age 17. Now, most sprinters, if they wanted to could run a decent 400m, but would you say that Watts at 17 was a 100/200m runner or a 400m runner (remember that aside from Bolt and his promise, these two events are nearly mutually exclusive on the men's side; Herb McKenley notwithstanding)? In case you're not sure, 10.30/20.50 is about as good as it gets for age 17. It's probably top-10 ever and certainly was when he did it.

The point that I'm trying to make is that Roessler SHOWED the ability to be a sprinter (like Watts showed the ability to be a 100m sprinter) but she was never allowed to hone that skill. She might have run sub-50 by now or she might have still ended up at 800m, but DO NOT SAY THAT SHE DIDN'T HAVE THE ABILITY TO BE A SPRINTER BASED UPON WHAT SHE DID AS A SOPHOMORE; it doesn't make sense when/if you do because she fit the profile, just as Watts fit the profile MORE for the 100m than for the 400m. Unless of course Watts is a pure distance runner who never found his true calling. :lol:
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Re: Which event for Laura Roesler? [split]

Postby 26mi235 » Fri Mar 23, 2012 1:32 pm

Do you know for sure that during her entire high school career she was not being trained as a sprinter? Please tell me how you know.


It's not as if she was training to be a great 4/8 girl - she wasn't; she wanted to run a great 8 and the 4 just happened to be part of her racing.

If you are referring to the period when she hit her high school 800 PR, that does not mean that at other times she was not being trained as a sprinter, especially as a long sprinter, because 6 straight titles in the 400 gives some indication that she was being trained that way. I tend to think it semi-irrelevant to the point that you are making (she has not been trained as a sprinter) that in that specific period where she was pushing for the trials that she was not being trained as a sprinter. [Besides, being trained for the 800 and the 400 are different, but it is not quite like the difference between a middle-distance training regime and that for a short sprinter.]
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Re: Which event for Laura Roesler? [split]

Postby Jacksf » Fri Mar 23, 2012 2:45 pm

26mi235 wrote:I continue to think that her best chance of being world-class is in the 800 where her 400 speed continues than in the 400 where her speed is relatively ordinary.


I really can't understand why you continue to be so dismissive of Laura's speed ("relatively ordinary")

Her HS time of 53.25 was 9th fastest in the country that year.
Her 200m time of 24.01 puts her in the Calif State finals.
She ran on the gold medal WJrC 4x400m relay (beating the favored Jamaicans), with collegians, and had the 2nd fastest split.
All this while:
1/ also training for the 800m
2/ running in ND, where the weather is much colder than Calif or Florida, the home of most top HS sprinters
3/ running against much weaker competition
If she had been training exclusively as a sprinter in a warm weather state, we could have reasonably expected even faster times from her.

I also don't understand why you continue to believe that her best chance of being world class is in the 800m, when
1/ her 800m times are not improving, even though she is specifically training for the 800m at one of the strongest middle distance programs in the country.
2/ her 400m relay times continue to improve despite the fact that she is training for a middle distance
3/ she is the fastest 400m runner at Oregon, despite not being a 400m runner.

That all adds up to: Laura Roesler should be running the 400m.
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Re: Which event for Laura Roesler? [split]

Postby Jacksf » Fri Mar 23, 2012 3:45 pm

Jacksf wrote:
gh wrote:To me, the bottom line on Roesler is simple: she was good enough as a high schooler to make the OT in the 800; she wasn't remotely on the radar in the 400. Why would anybody think of her as a sprinter of any sort?

Not true.
In 2010 at World Junior Championships, she ran on the gold medal 4x400 relay team as a high schooler.
"The team of Texas prep Diamond Dixon (54.3), Stacey-Ann Smith (52.1) of Texas, North Dakota high schooler Laura Roesler (52.3) and Regina George (52.5) of Arkansas zipped to a 3:31.20, the fastest junior time in the world this year."
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Interesting note -
Diamond Dixon from the same WJC relay team as Laura, won the NCAA indoors 400m this year for Univ. of Kansas.
I'm not saying Laura would have won; but I am saying they were at the same level at the 400m as HSers, so it is certainly a reasonable possibility that Laura could have been in this final if she were training for the 400m.
As it was, she didn't qualify for the 800m final.
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Re: Which event for Laura Roesler? [split]

Postby kuha » Fri Mar 23, 2012 4:00 pm

I think, in part, that she's just gotten bigger--stronger, probably, but definitely bigger.
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Re: Which event for Laura Roesler? [split]

Postby 8aldP|23 » Sat Mar 24, 2012 11:27 am

Laura ran a 4:30.41 1500m this morning
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Re: Which event for Laura Roesler? [split]

Postby Jacksf » Sat Apr 07, 2012 5:13 pm

Laura ran 2:05.83 for 2nd place in the 800m at the Pepsi meet in Oregon today.
She also anchored the 4x400m relay to tight win over Texas A&M.
Her split was 52.8, and she held off Kamaria Brown of A&M, who is the Big 12 indoor 200m champ (22.86 meet record), and 400m 2nd placer (52.60)
It still seems to me that Laura has more 400m talent than 800m talent; and that the lack of sprint speed argument is completely bogus.
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Re: Which event for Laura Roesler? [split]

Postby tandfman » Sat Apr 07, 2012 7:12 pm

The fact that she has demonstrated sprint speed does not, to me, mean that her best distance isn't 800m.
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Re: Which event for Laura Roesler? [split]

Postby CookyMonzta » Sun Apr 08, 2012 9:55 am

Maybe, maybe not. But the 400 is looking more and more like the better deal for her every day. Have you noticed that she's not even picked for the top 10 on the NCAA 800 formchart? I'll bet good horse money that 10th in the 400 will be in the mid-to-high-52s.
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Re: Which event for Laura Roesler? [split]

Postby Master Po » Sat Apr 28, 2012 6:54 pm

Roesler provides something for everyone at Penn Relays today:

2:04.5 (2nd leg of winning 4x800) start time 4:10 pm
http://pennrelaysonline.com/Results/results.aspx?en=487
Roesler's split 2nd fastest in the race (Chanelle Price 2:04.2).

53.0 (3rd leg of 2nd place 4x400) start time 5:50 pm
http://pennrelaysonline.com/Results/results.aspx?en=498
Roesler's split 5th fastest in the race.

Seems like a pretty good double in less than 2hrs time.
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Re: Which event for Laura Roesler? [split]

Postby tandfman » Sun Apr 29, 2012 6:21 pm

Having seen both of those races at Penn, I still have the feeling that her better event is the 800.
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Re: Which event for Laura Roesler? [split]

Postby gh » Sun May 13, 2012 1:40 pm

bad day for the boo-birds on the board; first Hasay kicks to Pac-12 1500 win, now Roesler runs a masterful 800 to win.
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Re: Which event for Laura Roesler? [split]

Postby Master Po » Sun May 13, 2012 1:53 pm

smart running by Roesler.
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Re: Which event for Laura Roesler? [split]

Postby guru » Sun May 13, 2012 2:00 pm

gh wrote:bad day for the boo-birds on the board; first Hasay kicks to Pac-12 1500 win..



Yes, well Hasay also "kicked" to a 1500(and 5K) win at PAC-12's last year.

Also, if noting facts makes me a boobird, I gleefully(to use your terminology) plead guilty.
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Re: Which event for Laura Roesler? [split]

Postby 26mi235 » Sun May 13, 2012 6:43 pm

guru wrote:
gh wrote:bad day for the boo-birds on the board; first Hasay kicks to Pac-12 1500 win..



Yes, well Hasay also "kicked" to a 1500(and 5K) win at PAC-12's last year.

Also, if noting facts makes me a boobird, I gleefully(to use your terminology) plead guilty.


You typically get more consideration from me (even if I am not stating it much because of posts like you just made on another thread where you had previously posted quickly about the dropoff after the top several in the 200 and then quoted/countered your own post with the note about the good times just now run by others.
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Re: Which event for Laura Roesler? [split]

Postby guru » Sun May 13, 2012 7:18 pm

I have no idea what you just said 26 lol, but there's a difference in my comments on Hasay, and those regarding the women's Trials 200. One involves my commentary on races already contested(Hasay), while the other was an observation on one still over a month away, which obviously is still a dynamic and fluid situation.
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Re: Which event for Laura Roesler? [split]

Postby 26mi235 » Sun May 13, 2012 8:44 pm

What I meant was really two things:

1) You have informative posts (across a lot of topics, even though we do not always agree)

2) You have no trouble modifying some of your positions when things change, as illustrated when you quickly amended your comments on a thread (without prompting) when a couple of ladies threw down some pretty good 200 times, indicating the drop off beyond the first few was no longer so great.

Both are meant as unalloyed complements.
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Re: Which event for Laura Roesler? [split]

Postby Blues » Sun May 13, 2012 10:16 pm

gh wrote:bad day for the boo-birds on the board; first Hasay kicks to Pac-12 1500 win, now Roesler runs a masterful 800 to win.


Very nice 800... Maybe the 800 drained her, but Laura wasn't able to hold the lead in the 4x4 after Phyllis Francis' impressive 52.74 third leg gave Oregon a lead of about half a second going into the anchor leg though.... Arizona's long hurdler Georganne Moline passed Roesler for the win, running 51.66 to Roesler's 52.90. Both anchors were respectable and most people already know of Laura Roesler's accomplishments, so being from Tucson I want to take the opportunity to give the Wildcats' Georganne Moline huge props for what she's accomplished during her junior year, including the multiple personal bests she's achieved this season not only in the 400h (NCAA leading 55.12), but in the 400/4x4 as well.
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Re: Which event for Laura Roesler? [split]

Postby CookyMonzta » Mon May 14, 2012 1:19 am

gh wrote:bad day for the boo-birds on the board; first Hasay kicks to Pac-12 1500 win, now Roesler runs a masterful 800 to win.

A win is a win, yes; but 2:05.13 don't exactly impress me. She still has yet to run her H.S. PR of 2:03.02, and i doubt that performance will win the NCAA Champs.
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Re: Which event for Laura Roesler? [split]

Postby Master Po » Mon May 14, 2012 5:34 am

CookyMonzta wrote:
gh wrote:bad day for the boo-birds on the board; first Hasay kicks to Pac-12 1500 win, now Roesler runs a masterful 800 to win.

A win is a win, yes; but 2:05.13 don't exactly impress me. She still has yet to run her H.S. PR of 2:03.02, and i doubt that performance will win the NCAA Champs.


Performances and statistics can be endlessly interpreted (thank heaven)...I see her performance at PAC-12 in a different light. True -- it is not a PB, or even a 2:03-above her best to 2:04. And, yes, I agree that 2:05 isn't going to do much of anything at NCAA. Probably even a 2:03 isn't going to do a whole lot at that meet, though it might earn some points. All that noted, what she did in this conference championship race was win the conference championship, which for me is the primary standard of assessment of a championship race. It was not a fast pace: she ran intelligently in 4th through 600, and then ran away from the field. Not fast, but well done. No predictions about NCAA, much less the distant future. We'll see the next step in a few weeks. For now, a fine race, and a well-earned championship.
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Re: Which event for Laura Roesler? [split]

Postby preston » Mon May 14, 2012 7:59 am

I think "boo birds" is a bit strong. The issue was whether she was in the right event (and when she consistently splits amont the fastest women of the day some of us have to wonder what she would/could split if she was trained primarily as a sprinter). 2:05 and a win doesn't exactly prove the point one way or the other. I wouldn't be surprised if there were a few women 400m and 400h who were capable of winning PAC-12's and running 2:05.
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Re: Which event for Laura Roesler? [split]

Postby tandfman » Mon May 14, 2012 7:01 pm

My thoughts are the same as Master Po's.

I still think she's an 800 runner.

We'll see soon enough what she and her coaches think.
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Re: Which event for Laura Roesler? [split]

Postby Jacksf » Mon May 14, 2012 8:25 pm

I agree with Preston on this one.
Good win for her, but she still has not improved her times in the 800m.
I think if she was training as a 400m runner (which is where I think her greatest talent lies), she could have won the Pac 12 400m.
As it is, she runs anchor on the 4 x 400m Oregon relay, and one of the other girls on the relay, won the 400m title.
As far as what the coaches think - we already know, since they have her running the 800m, and have never had her drop down to run an individual 400m.
Maybe they are afraid of how well she might do ;p
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Re: Which event for Laura Roesler? [split]

Postby 26mi235 » Mon May 14, 2012 8:41 pm

A freshman from Illinois wins the Big 10 400 in 51.02 on a 'not fast track' with no one near her while also winning the 200 (22.9x?) and the 4x400, so 5 races (unless she also ran heats/finals of the 4x100). [and she might not be the best frosh with Diane Dixon, but I am guessing some people are going to adjust their forecast for NCAAs...]

Roesler does not have those kinds of wheels.
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Re: Which event for Laura Roesler? [split]

Postby EPelle » Mon May 14, 2012 11:10 pm

Jacksf wrote:As far as what the coaches think - we already know, since they have her running the 800m, and have never had her drop down to run an individual 400m.
Maybe they are afraid of how well she might do ;p

That Roesler hadn't run an open 400m seemed improbable. In fact, Roesler ran 54,63 for sixth in the open 400 at the 2011 Stanford Invitational.

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Event 54  Women 400 Meter Dash -
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    Name                    Year School                  Finals
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Section  1 
  1   141 Williams, Shelise      Arkansas                 52.50 
  2  3395 Williams, Charonda     adidas                   52.71 
  3   125 George, Regina         Arkansas                 53.46 
  4  1295 McLaughlin, Ashlea     UCLA                     54.11 
  5   133 Jones, Whitney         Arkansas                 54.54 
  6   963 Roesler, Laura         Oregon                   54.63 
  7  1158 Levingston, Cariss     Stanford                 55.14 
  8  1155 Hendricks, Shataya     Stanford                 56.74 
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Re: Which event for Laura Roesler? [split]

Postby preston » Tue May 15, 2012 5:57 am

26mi235 wrote:A freshman from Illinois wins the Big 10 400 in 51.02 on a 'not fast track' with no one near her while also winning the 200 (22.9x?) and the 4x400, so 5 races (unless she also ran heats/finals of the 4x100). [and she might not be the best frosh with Diane Dixon, but I am guessing some people are going to adjust their forecast for NCAAs...]

Roesler does not have those kinds of wheels.

She doesn't have the wheels? That's ridiculous! ASHLEY SPENCER DIDN'T HAVE THOSE TYPE OF WHEELS AT AGE 16! SHE HAD TO DEVELOP THEM! That is the problem with you 26mi235: you're disingenuous and hell bent on promoting your bias. Did Ashley Spencer run 22.xx as a sophomore in high school? Did she run sub-54? Because that is the ONLY comparison that you should be making! The point that I, jacksf, and cookymonzta have been making is that HAD Roessler been sprinting since her sophomore year she very well COULD (don't think any of us ever said would) have been a top sprinter by now (OR NOT). But what is entirely mind-boggling to people who actually follow track as a passion is that you, and a few others, expect her to run sprint times WHILE TRAINING FOR THE 800m! Why would she get faster by training considerably slower years on end? (Any trace of sprint muscles de-trained on a daily basis yet she still runs sprint splits and physically shares a resemblance to a sprinter.)

Even looking at the list below you find Roesler getting 6th in a race, where SHE DID NOT PB, that included a professional athlete who ran the 200m in Berlin and 3 of the women from Arkansas who have been part of one of the best SEC quartets for the last few years and she held her own. Now, which one of them ran faster than Roessler for 100, 200 or 400 at the age of 16? Answer that! Without even researching it I will say not one. But you're welcome to prove me wrong.
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Event 54 Women 400 Meter Dash -
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Name Year School Finals
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Section 1
1 141 Williams, Shelise Arkansas 52.50
2 3395 Williams, Charonda adidas 52.71
3 125 George, Regina Arkansas 53.46
4 1295 McLaughlin, Ashlea UCLA 54.11
5 133 Jones, Whitney Arkansas 54.54
6 963 Roesler, Laura Oregon 54.63
7 1158 Levingston, Cariss Stanford 55.14
8 1155 Hendricks, Shataya Stanford 56.74


Time and again within this thread it has been shown where 400m runners didn't have blazing 100 or 200 speed and still managed to 1) make US Olympic Teams AND even win global championships; or 2) get FASTER! There is a possibility that Roessler is in the correct event (5000 gh? really?); there is also a possibility that she COULD have been a top sprinter. Just ask Kaleise Spencer or Monique Hennagan or Jearl Miles or Ana Quirot...(I'd list more but you obviously haven't been paying attention in the thread so why bother).
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Re: Which event for Laura Roesler? [split]

Postby preston » Tue May 15, 2012 6:17 am

Fantu Magiso, allowed to develop her "speed" (in distance-mad Ethiopia, no less) until the age of 18 ran 1:57.90 to nearly beat Pamela Jelimo in Doha. Last year she set PB's of 23.90 and 52.09 (times that would have scored her at almost any NCAA conference meet) in the 200 and 400, respectively - yet she DOUBLED in Daegu: running 1:59.17 for 4th in the w800m semifinal and 53.41 for 7th in w400m semifinal.

What could have been...
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Re: Which event for Laura Roesler? [split]

Postby 26mi235 » Tue May 15, 2012 9:58 am

Preston, LR does not have 51.02 (on slowish track) wheels. I think her all-out 400r legs are 51-high and that is 52.3 or so. 1.25 seconds (or more) at that level is BIG. LR has been stable at her level for a long time, whereas Spencer is apparently developing rapidly at this point. Spencer ran that 51.02 after running 51.99 in the prelim, doing a 4x100 Prelim and 200 Prelim [all Saturday] and 1x100 Final (trying to catch Manning, the winner of the 100) then the 400 while saving something for the 200 [she won in 22.99/0.x, beating Manning] and the 4x400 [coming from second to anchor a 3:31 despite a slowish first leg].

Those are wheels LR simply does not have (those are OG 400 Final wheels since the slow track and multitude of races implies she may go 50.5 soon).
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Re: Which event for Laura Roesler? [split]

Postby preston » Tue May 15, 2012 10:02 am

26mi235 wrote:Preston, LR does not have 51.02 (on slowish track) wheels. I think her all-out 400r legs are 51-high and that is 52.3 or so. 1.25 seconds (or more) at that level is BIG. LR has been stable at her level for a long time, whereas Spencer is apparently developing rapidly at this point. Spencer ran that 51.02 after running 51.99 in the prelim, doing a 4x100 Prelim and 200 Prelim [all Saturday] and 1x100 Final (trying to catch Manning, the winner of the 100) then the 400 while saving something for the 200 [she won in 22.99/0.x, beating Manning] and the 4x400 [coming from second to anchor a 3:31 despite a slowish first leg].

Those are wheels LR simply does not have (those are OG 400 Final wheels since the slow track and multitude of races implies she may go 50.5 soon).

Show me where spencer had 11.90/24.30/53.25 "wheels" at age 16?
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