Which event for Laura Roesler? [split]


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Re: Which event for Laura Roesler? [split]

Postby preston » Thu May 17, 2012 9:39 am

26mi235 wrote:... but virtually zero likelihood at anything shorter,...


When she was a sophomore in high school what would have told you that she had "ZERO LIKELIHOOD AT ANYTHING SHORTER"? I already showed where both Purvis' and McGrone ran under 23 or 11.20. Is that not successful? They're all A-standard marks!

50% of todays' women 400m runners and 400h who can run less than 52 seconds could run 2:08 or better if they trained for it for 2 years and in most cases would pull it off in one - without any material changes in their sprint training. On page 1 of this thread...Monique Hennagan, winner of the 2004 Olympic trials at 400m [she also set the then meet record], won the '96 NCAA 800m in 2:03.27 and got 4th at 400m. Maybe she should have moved up to the 800, but 4th at the Olympic Games and #1 American means that she was damn successful. Her progression below.

100 Metres
(29) - 2005 11.26 0.1
(28) - 2004 11.32 1.1
200 Metres
(29) - 2005 22.87 1.2
(28) - 2004 22.97 0.6
(25) - 2001 23.23 0.0
400 Metres
(29) - 2005 50.24
(28) - 2004 49.56
(27) - 2003 51.46
(26) - 2002 51.04
(25) - 2001 50.98
(24) - 2000 50.82
(23) - 1999 51.05
(22) - 1998 51.11
(18) - 1994 52.25
(16) - 1992 54.19
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Re: Which event for Laura Roesler? [split]

Postby preston » Thu May 17, 2012 9:45 am

26mi235 wrote:...She was posting good times across the board from the time she was in middle school and was a very early developer, not one on a 'normal' schedule.

That is a reach! You have NO way of knowing if she was an early developer and I never said she was or wasn't. It is VERY possible, if not likely, that all of her mid-distance/distance training actually retarded her sprint development and had she not run the XC, 800, etc that by her senior year she could have run 11.3...just like Jenna Prandini who ran 11.91 as what? wait for it...a little more... just a bit...ok, i promise, right after this...A sophomore in high school!
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Re: Which event for Laura Roesler? [split]

Postby gh » Thu May 17, 2012 10:00 am

the classic three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies and statistics. And I've certainly used all three!

Herewith, my bottom-line "analysis" of Roesler, which ignores every number she has ever recorded. While others "see" it differently, based on every race I've ever seen her run in person (starting with the OT in '08, where she blew me away), she has looked like a classic halfmiler to me, not a sprinter, plain and simple.

I'd like to believe that no matter what the training, elemental speed remains in evidence, and I've never seen her produce anything like that. Great wheels for a half miler, but nothing more than that.
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Re: Which event for Laura Roesler? [split]

Postby 26mi235 » Thu May 17, 2012 10:01 am

OK, we simply disagree.

My notion is that in order to be a very good short sprinter, you have to have innate sprint ability that shows itself given much chance, while the longer the distance goes [100=>200=>400] the more the training will affect the athletes relative position on the lists. I just think that LRs marks are too far down the lists at the short end for her to have much chance.

You know a lot more about sprint training and are convinced that she 'could have been a contender' at the short sprints and that it took a lot more specific training than she apparently got.

I still think that from the perspective of 2008 or later most people would have thought that her chances of making the OT Finals in the 100 were less than for the 200, which were less than for the 400, which were less than for the 800, which were (much) greater than for the 1500.

We will never know because now there is little chance we will see her focus on the 100 or even the 200. My guess is that you two are in the minority in thinking she has/had her best top-level potential in the shortest sprints.
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Re: Which event for Laura Roesler? [split]

Postby gh » Thu May 17, 2012 10:05 am

a ps to my note one above: that's my final word on the subject and I'm now outta this one.
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Re: Which event for Laura Roesler? [split]

Postby preston » Thu May 17, 2012 10:33 am

Chris Brown was an 800m runner in college. His PB is 44.40. Why was he ever running it? Athletes blossom in asymetric ways and early progress doesn't indicate final destination.
26mi235 wrote:My notion is that in order to be a very good short sprinter, you have to have innate sprint ability that shows itself given much chance, while the longer the distance goes [100=>200=>400] the more the training will affect the athletes relative position on the lists. I just think that LRs marks are too far down the lists at the short end for her to have much chance. ...You know a lot more about sprint training and are convinced that she 'could have been a contender' at the short sprints and that it took a lot more specific training than she apparently got.

Don't count on me knowing [that much] more about sprinting than you do. I just have more evidence at the ready that I can use to hold up my arguments. Like gh said, "lies and damn lies". :lol: But seriously, I DON'T think Roesler's marks are too far down the list at all! That's why I showed you so many other athletes who had the "same" marks as Roesler. The only difference is that those athletes weren't off the charts talented at 800m! If they can be successful sprinting, why couldn't she? I know you can't answer that and that's my point: she COULD HAVE BEEN a sprinter. Would you talk Ashton Eaton into giving up the decathlon if you could coach him to run 9.66 or 12.83?
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Re: Which event for Laura Roesler? [split]

Postby Blues » Thu May 17, 2012 10:59 am

Preston has still not submitted a single valid sophomore performance for Laura to try to prove his point that she was a faster sprinter than most other elite 16 year olds. Even the new marks that he chose after it was pointed out that the 11.90 was accompanied by a +6.1 m/s tailwind are still either wind aided (24.30), or marks recorded when Laura was an 18 year old senior, not a 16 year old (11.96 +1.5/53.25). There are many sophomores and freshmen who had markedly faster legal 100m and 200m times than Laura had in 2008, yet Preston doesn't mention them. Yes Laura was/is an extremely talented all around runner, but to say she was as fast or faster than most other elite short sprinters were at age 16 seems to be a bit of an exaggeration. Only one high school athlete in all of America was faster than Laura at 800m in 2008, only 3 in 2009, and again only one in 2010. And the Oregon coaching staff is crazy for using her as an 800 runner?
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Re: Which event for Laura Roesler? [split]

Postby Blues » Thu May 17, 2012 11:00 am

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Re: Which event for Laura Roesler? [split]

Postby preston » Thu May 17, 2012 11:49 am

Dear Blue,
1. I never said that Roesler was the fastest person in her sophomore class.

2. I admitted that I unknowingly used windy marks; however, the marks I have are from becca's site athletic.net. She has a 11.90 that you say is windy and becca also has a 12.07! Where did you get your marks from? And, don't just tell me it was windy, PROVE IT! I want to see the finish lynx info. And, while you're at it, verify the marks of the other girls as well.

3. Maybe you're suffering from dehydration or hypoglycemia but Laura WAS one of the best in her age bracket for the 200. I never said she was the best. You would have to be an idiot to believe that top-10 in an event did not signify that you were among the best! That's right, you don't. :roll:

4. In 2003 Usain Bolt was #2 in the world at 400m, #1 at 200m and wasn't even on any lists in the 100m. Yet Glen Mills hasn't moved him up to the 400m already? (never mind that the 400m was not a priority for Bolt...wait a minute, it wasn't a priority for Roesler either because she was trying to run the fastest 400m that she possibly could because she was trying to get ready for the Olympic trials 800m - which was her goal from the previous year.)

YOU SHOULD LEARN HOW TO READ PROPERLY (You've confused my points and others).
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Re: Which event for Laura Roesler? [split]

Postby tandfman » Thu May 17, 2012 11:55 am

Tilastopaja, which I regard as quite authoritative, says the 11.90 was aided by a +6.1 wind. I'd regard that as good enough evidence unless someone can prove it's wrong.
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Re: Which event for Laura Roesler? [split]

Postby preston » Thu May 17, 2012 12:20 pm

tandfman wrote:Tilastopaja, which I regard as quite authoritative, says the 11.90 was aided by a +6.1 wind. I'd regard that as good enough evidence unless someone can prove it's wrong.

tandman, we've LOOOOOONNNNGGGGG moved on from the 11.90, but thank you very much.
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Re: Which event for Laura Roesler? [split]

Postby Blues » Thu May 17, 2012 12:42 pm

preston wrote:
tandfman wrote:Tilastopaja, which I regard as quite authoritative, says the 11.90 was aided by a +6.1 wind. I'd regard that as good enough evidence unless someone can prove it's wrong.

tandman, we've LOOOOOONNNNGGGGG moved on from the 11.90, but thank you very much.


What is the matter with you? You question the source and validity of the +6.1 wind reading and then tell tandfman that we've LOOOOOOONNNNGGGG moved on from it when he tries to answer you in the very next post.. :shock: Yikes.... And by the way, if you'd have paid attention, you'd have seen that I linked to the 2008 North Dakota Track and Field Championships results page (complete with wind readings) in the SAME post that I first mentioned that the times you were using as proof of Laura's speed as a 16 year old where significantly aided by strong tailwinds.
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Re: Which event for Laura Roesler? [split]

Postby preston » Thu May 17, 2012 12:56 pm

Blues wrote: What is the matter with you? You question the source and validity of the +6.1 wind reading and then tell tandfman that we've LOOOOOOONNNNGGGG moved on from it when he tries to answer you in the very next post.. :shock: Yikes.... And by the way, if you'd have paid attention, you'd have seen that I linked to the 2010 North Dakota Track and Field Championships results page (complete with wind readings) in the SAME post that I first mentioned that the times you were using as proof of Laura's speed as a 16 year old where significantly aided by strong tailwinds.

No, what is the matter with you? You're trying to say that I have been using info dishonestly when it is YOU that has been doing that. We LOOOOOOONNNNGGG moved away from the 11.90 when it was brought to our attention that it was windy and I pointed out that she also ran 12.07 which is well within the range of the women in her peer group. You quickly pointed out that the 11.90 was windy and provided the link, but we'd moved on from 11.90, but on that VERY SAME page you see that there is a 12.07 but you PURPOSELY don't mention it but want to claim that I'm playing fast and loose with numbers? There is also no wind reading for the 24.30 and until you prove otherwise with a finishlynx verification I can easily go with 12.07/24.30 and my point still holds. Stop being a jackass!
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Re: Which event for Laura Roesler? [split]

Postby Blues » Thu May 17, 2012 1:03 pm

Blues wrote:
preston wrote:
tandfman wrote:Tilastopaja, which I regard as quite authoritative, says the 11.90 was aided by a +6.1 wind. I'd regard that as good enough evidence unless someone can prove it's wrong.

tandman, we've LOOOOOONNNNGGGGG moved on from the 11.90, but thank you very much.


What is the matter with you? You question the source and validity of the +6.1 wind reading and then tell tandfman that we've LOOOOOOONNNNGGGG moved on from it when he tries to answer you in the very next post.. :shock: Yikes.... And by the way, if you'd have paid attention, you'd have seen that I linked to the 2008 North Dakota Track and Field Championships results page (complete with wind readings) in the SAME post that I first mentioned that the times you were using as proof of Laura's speed as a 16 year old where significantly aided by strong tailwinds.


You've used erroneous data in just about every post you've posted to try to prove that Laura was among the best short sprinters in her age group. Go back and look at my post where I posted that Laura's 11.90 was aided by a +6.1 wind. Did I not also say that her 12.07 in the final of the same meet was also aided by a wind in the vicinity of +3.2 or something? Maybe I deleted that post, but I could swear that's what I wrote.
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Re: Which event for Laura Roesler? [split]

Postby preston » Thu May 17, 2012 1:12 pm

In the vicinity? In the vicinity? You're lying about honest errors and you have the nerve to say "in the vicinity"? And you swear that you wrote it? Grow up! You're johnny come lately and full of piss and vinegar for no good reason but being a jerk. You either come back with the exact info or as far as I'm concerned both times are NWI at best because the same "authenticated" link that had the 6.1 DOES NOT have the 12.07 or the 24.30 as being illegal and neither does Becca's site. You're the one with obvious a hard-on for me because I dared to question if the girl could have been a sprinter. You're the one with the problem!
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Re: Which event for Laura Roesler? [split]

Postby Blues » Thu May 17, 2012 1:54 pm

preston wrote:You're lying about honest errors and you have the nerve to say "in the vicinity"? And you swear that you wrote it? Grow up! You're johnny come lately and full of piss and vinegar for no good reason but being a jerk. You either come back with the exact info or as far as I'm concerned both times are NWI at best because the same "authenticated" link that had the 6.1 DOES NOT have the 12.07 or the 24.30 as being illegal and neither does Becca's site. You're the one with obvious a hard-on for me because I dared to question if the girl could have been a sprinter. You're the one with the problem!


WOW!!! LOL. I wrote "in the vicinity" in my last post because I had pick up my friend at work and didn't have time to go back to yesterday's post and look up exact wind info. Now, if you'll chill and go back to page 5 and read what I wrote yesterday and then click on the link from yesterday like you should have done, you'll see this:

"And since you mentioned Laura's high school 11.90, at the North Dakota State Meet in 2008, Laura ran her 11.90 in the prelims, with the benefit of a +6.1 tailwind. She then won the finals in 12.07, with a +3.2 tailwind. Her 24.30 win in the 200 in the same meet was also aided by a +2.3 tailwind. The following year, in 2009, Laura's season bests were 12.41 and 24.66."
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Re: Which event for Laura Roesler? [split]

Postby Blues » Thu May 17, 2012 2:05 pm

preston wrote:In the vicinity? In the vicinity? You're lying about honest errors and you have the nerve to say "in the vicinity"? And you swear that you wrote it? Grow up! You're johnny come lately and full of piss and vinegar for no good reason but being a jerk. You either come back with the exact info or as far as I'm concerned both times are NWI at best because the same "authenticated" link that had the 6.1 DOES NOT have the 12.07 or the 24.30 as being illegal and neither does Becca's site. You're the one with obvious a hard-on for me because I dared to question if the girl could have been a sprinter. You're the one with the problem!


And I didn't lie about anything. I said you'd been using invalid information to try to prove your point. If it appeared that I was saying that you were purposely distorting the truth, I honestly apologize, because I never meant to imply that it was intentional. Nevertheless, 11.90, 12.07, and 24.30 were all wind aided, and 11.97 +1.5, and 53.25 were run when she was a senior at 18 years of age, not when she was a sophomore at 16.
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Re: Which event for Laura Roesler? [split]

Postby Jacksf » Thu May 17, 2012 2:28 pm

This thread has gotten WAY off track -
I started this thread because Laura Roesler was running fast times on the 4x400m relay, but not progressing at the 800m. (look at the 1st post)
I asked if the 400m might not be her better event, since her relay times were getting faster, but her 800m times were not.
I did not ask if she could be an Olympian or world class in the 400m (or the 800m).
I did not ask whether she could run the 100m as fast as Sanya Richards.
I simply proposed that I thought she might be a better 400m runner than an 800m.
Speaking about NOW - her collegiate career - she seems to be equal 400m runner as 800m runner.
But she trains for the 800m, and her times haven't improved since high school.
Meanwhile, her 400m relay times have been getting better.
Let's just drop the conversation about her speed, her HS sprint times. I'm talking about what she is doing and has done in college.
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Re: Which event for Laura Roesler? [split]

Postby Blues » Thu May 17, 2012 4:05 pm

Jacksf, sorry that the thread took this course and that I was a part of it. If information is posted that could be misleading though, I'll generally post a clarification, which is initially all I wanted to do.

At this point I think they should give Laura a little more time in the 8 before deciding she should be doing the 4. She had the second fastest 800m split out of all runners in the 4x8 Championship at Penn in less than ideal conditions (second only to Chanelle Price of Tennessee), and I'm looking forward to seeing what her marks will be like at NCAA's. I have the utmost admiration and respect for her as an elite athlete and as an individual, and had she lost PAC-12's with a 2:05 instead of winning with a SB 2:05 I might be more concerned. Just seems to me that the Oregon staff has to give an athlete who was top 2 in the USA at 800m in high school (not just for one year but for both her sophomore and senior years, and top 5 USA in between) a little more of a chance to try to progress in the event. The one athlete who was ranked ahead of Laura in 2010, Ajee Wilson, hasn't come anywhere near the 2:00.59 split she ran as a high school sophomore in 2010, and currently has a season best of 2:05.19, although she did PR at 2:02.64 last summer in Lille. Anyway, I'm betting that Laura will improve her 800 PR significantly before she leaves Oregon and that she'll eventually place at NCAA's if not more, something that I'm not sure she could do if running the 400.
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Re: Which event for Laura Roesler? [split]

Postby tandfman » Thu May 17, 2012 7:16 pm

Blues wrote:The one athlete who was ranked ahead of Laura in 2010, Ajee Wilson, hasn't come anywhere near the 2:00.59 split she ran as a high school sophomore in 2010, and currently has a season best of 2:05.19, although she did PR at 2:02.64 last summer in Lille.

That's a heckuva "although". I'm much more impressed with a gold medal at the World Youth Championships than I am with a relay split. I have no reason to think her season's best won't improve before the season's over.
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Re: Which event for Laura Roesler? [split]

Postby bruce3404 » Thu May 17, 2012 8:11 pm

Having watched Laura run a lot of 800s and 400s (usually as a relay team anchor), I'm still convinced that the 800 is her race; I've just not seen enough 400 speed and as tough a runner as she is, I think her toughness translates better at 800m. Not sure that she's quite ready to break 2:00, but a 2:02 could be in the cards in Des Moines.
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Re: Which event for Laura Roesler? [split]

Postby preston » Fri May 18, 2012 6:53 am

bruce3404 wrote:I've just not seen enough 400 speed and as tough a runner as she is, I think her toughness translates better at 800m.

Why would you be looking for 400 speed in an 800m runner? She's training for the 800m not the 400m - totally different. Some of you just don't get it: the 8 to the 4 is not like the 200 to the 1, they're completely different and there is no way that you're going to see "400 speed" (I assume you mean turnover) when she's training for the 8.

Getting back to jacksf's point:

-if she trained exclusively for the 400m do I think she could win PAC-12? Yes!
-If she trained exclusively for the 400m do I think she could make the NCAA final? Yes!
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Re: Which event for Laura Roesler? [split]

Postby tandfman » Fri May 18, 2012 7:15 am

preston wrote:-if she trained exclusively for the 400m do I think she could win PAC-12? Yes!
-If she trained exclusively for the 400m do I think she could make the NCAA final? Yes!

That may be, but I still think the 800 is her best event.
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Re: Which event for Laura Roesler? [split]

Postby bruce3404 » Fri May 18, 2012 7:39 am

preston wrote:
bruce3404 wrote:I've just not seen enough 400 speed and as tough a runner as she is, I think her toughness translates better at 800m.

Why would you be looking for 400 speed in an 800m runner? She's training for the 800m not the 400m - totally different. Some of you just don't get it: the 8 to the 4 is not like the 200 to the 1, they're completely different and there is no way that you're going to see "400 speed" (I assume you mean turnover) when she's training for the 8.

Getting back to jacksf's point:


Before you start accusing people of not getting it, maybe YOU should read Jacksf's original question: Anybody think she should move down to the 400m?

My reply had nothing to do with whether she's training for an 800, a 400 or a 10,000. I simply stated that I hadn't seen enough speed in her 400 relay legs while also stating that her toughness better translated to an 800. I'm not "looking" for 400 speed, just stating what I've seen. I do agree that the 800 and 400 are completely different races but I doubt that there's anyone on this board with an IQ over 90 who would disagree with that.
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Re: Which event for Laura Roesler? [split]

Postby gh » Fri May 18, 2012 7:49 am

preston wrote:
bruce3404 wrote:I've just not seen enough 400 speed and as tough a runner as she is, I think her toughness translates better at 800m.

Why would you be looking for 400 speed in an 800m runner? She's training for the 800m not the 400m - totally different. ....


Oh come now! You don't know how she's training any more than anybody else here.

Given that the Oregon team trains with a team purpose, and that winning first the Pac-12 and next the NCAA is what it's all about, I'd fall over dead if the anchor of the crucial 4x4 isn't training for the 400 as much as the 800. When she leaves Oregon, then she starts training like an 800 runner.
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Re: Which event for Laura Roesler? [split]

Postby preston » Fri May 18, 2012 8:25 am

gh wrote:Oh come now! You don't know how she's training any more than anybody else here.

Given that the Oregon team trains with a team purpose, and that winning first the Pac-12 and next the NCAA is what it's all about, I'd fall over dead if the anchor of the crucial 4x4 isn't training for the 400 as much as the 800.

I know of not a single sprinter who also runs in-season 1500m. Roesler does! Telling me what I don't know is one thing...and I admit to it, but you guys ALSO have to admit that you don't KNOW either.

Latavia Thomas nor Phoebe Wright trained like a 400m sprinter (Wright ran on their 4x1500). But they anchored, at times, their respective 4x4 relays. I could name more, and so could you so don't act like 800m runners DON'T anchor 4x4's. But, if you want to run fast then you have to train fast and you don't do that at 800m pace and you certainly don't do it at 1500m pace. That says she ain't being trained like no sprinter. A sub-2:08 800m runner will near-always run on a 4x4.

bruce3404 wrote:... I simply stated that I hadn't seen enough speed in her 400 relay legs while also stating that her toughness better translated to an 800.

...most of the best athletes are "tough" and the vast majority don't run the 800m. By the way, what are you looking for that says, "that's 400m speed"? Maybe, like in most cases where disagreements take place, we have a definition problem.
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Re: Which event for Laura Roesler? [split]

Postby gh » Fri May 18, 2012 8:47 am

preston wrote:
gh wrote:Oh come now! You don't know how she's training any more than anybody else here.

Given that the Oregon team trains with a team purpose, and that winning first the Pac-12 and next the NCAA is what it's all about, I'd fall over dead if the anchor of the crucial 4x4 isn't training for the 400 as much as the 800.

I know of not a single sprinter who also runs in-season 1500m. Roesler does! Telling me what I don't know is one thing...and I admit to it, but you guys ALSO have to admit that you don't KNOW either....


I believe my "anybody else here" took care of that admission from the get-go.
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Re: Which event for Laura Roesler? [split]

Postby Blues » Fri May 18, 2012 12:29 pm

Laura isn't the first 800m runner with pretty good 400 speed to run a 1500 early in the season to get some endurance work. As a notable example, Jearl Miles Clark's PR is 4:34.25 from March of 2000. I don't know what type of training she was primarily doing, but she'd set the American 800m record of 1:56.40 late in the '99 season, and in the same 2000 outdoor season as her 1500 PR she later ran 23.13 -0.5, 50.04, and 1:59.12.
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Re: Which event for Laura Roesler? [split]

Postby bruce3404 » Fri May 18, 2012 6:42 pm

preston wrote:
bruce3404 wrote:... I simply stated that I hadn't seen enough speed in her 400 relay legs while also stating that her toughness better translated to an 800.

...most of the best athletes are "tough" and the vast majority don't run the 800m. By the way, what are you looking for that says, "that's 400m speed"? Maybe, like in most cases where disagreements take place, we have a definition problem.


I would be looking for a time that put her in a position to score points in the NCAA Championships. I know she can score in the 800, so I'm not too concerned if her current season best time is in the top 8. But if she's seriously going to run the 400 then I'm thinking she needs to be able to run under 52.5. I don't believe she's ever broken 53 in an open race. When I mentioned toughness, my thought was that you have to have the speed to go along with the toughness. LR doesn't have the combination of speed and toughness in the 400, but she's proven she has both in the 800.
The Ducks have a terrific 400m runner in Phyllis Francis as well as a great 800m runner in Kesselring, so placing Laura in the 800 isn't a matter of filling in gaps for the team, but rather placing her where Lannana thinks she'll score the most points in Des Moines. The schedule also allows her to come back reasonably fresh for the 4x400 relay.
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Re: Which event for Laura Roesler? [split]

Postby Jacksf » Fri May 18, 2012 7:02 pm

Laura has run a relay split of 51.45, so I'm certain she can run under 52.50 in an open race.
She routinely runs anchor against the big guns from the other schools, but she doesn't run open 400m races.
I think she'd do as well in the 400m if she trained for it, as she has done at 800m.
Which means, conference champion, and possibly an NCAA finalist.
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Re: Which event for Laura Roesler? [split]

Postby 26mi235 » Fri May 18, 2012 7:25 pm

I am not sure on this but I think that she only has one relay time in that range. It is not uncommon for relay legs to be mis-timed; does anyone know if that time is one that is likely to be accurate?
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Re: Which event for Laura Roesler? [split]

Postby Jacksf » Fri May 18, 2012 8:13 pm

Wow - you really don't want it to be true.
But would you question it, if it was someone else?!
http://www.flashresults.com/2011_Meets/ ... ts32-2.htm
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Re: Which event for Laura Roesler? [split]

Postby Jacksf » Fri May 18, 2012 9:24 pm

I found this for you....from the Pepsi Invitational early April, Roesler holding off Kamaria Brown of A&M (who is Big 12 indoor champ 22.86; Big 12 indoor 400m runner-up 52.60)

http://www.runnerspace.com/eprofile.php ... o_id=63994
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Re: Which event for Laura Roesler? [split]

Postby Blues » Fri May 18, 2012 10:24 pm

Jacksf wrote:I found this for you....from the Pepsi Invitational early April, Roesler holding off Kamaria Brown of A&M (who is Big 12 indoor champ 22.86; Big 12 indoor 400m runner-up 52.60)

http://www.runnerspace.com/eprofile.php ... o_id=63994

That was still another high 52 to 53 type split for Laura, like at PAC-12's and the Penn Relays. There was also conflicting information as to whether that was Kamaria Brown anchoring for A&M or whether it was 800m runner Tiffany Singleton. The Aggies' website lists Tiffany Singleton as the anchor as does TFRRS, but it's possible they're mistaken...(There are meet results showing both Brown and Singleton as the anchor of the second place team, and the video doesn't clearly show the face or the name bib.) If you know it's Brown then I'll take your word for
it.

A link to the NCAA race last year where Laura split her 51.xx is below ... If gh has to delete the link, searching youtube for "Texas A&M Women's Track-2011 National Champions" which is the title of the vid, will find it. Anchor leg starts at around 5:20 of the vid.. Try to ignore the announcers butchering athlete's names. Should 26 or anyone else want to time Laura's split, the camera angle flashes back after showing Beard and Selvon, and you can just see Laura cross the finish from a front view.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eMd_NF4Ly0M
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Re: Which event for Laura Roesler? [split]

Postby j-a-m » Fri May 25, 2012 6:53 pm

She ran a season-best 2:04... today at the West prelims.
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Re: Which event for Laura Roesler? [split]

Postby bruce3404 » Fri May 25, 2012 7:47 pm

j-a-m wrote:She ran a season-best 2:04... today at the West prelims.


Maybe the Hytek results are incorrect, but they show she only ran a 2:07.47. Nevertheless, she raced with great control and did only what she had to to ensure a trip to Des Moines, while saving herself for the 4x400 tomorrow.
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Re: Which event for Laura Roesler? [split]

Postby j-a-m » Fri May 25, 2012 7:54 pm

bruce3404 wrote:
j-a-m wrote:She ran a season-best 2:04... today at the West prelims.


Maybe the Hytek results are incorrect, but they show she only ran a 2:07.47. Nevertheless, she raced with great control and did only what she had to to ensure a trip to Des Moines, while saving herself for the 4x400 tomorrow.


The Hytek website's not working properly, still showing results from yesterday's first round instead of today's second round, not even working with reload.

Mackie ran 2:02 from the front; Roesler stayed in third for a while, then moved to second. Was the fastent of the three heats. I believe Roesler had the second fastest time overall, not sure about that, though.
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Re: Which event for Laura Roesler? [split]

Postby bruce3404 » Fri May 25, 2012 8:40 pm

j-a-m wrote:
The Hytek website's not working properly, still showing results from yesterday's first round instead of today's second round, not even working with reload.

Mackie ran 2:02 from the front; Roesler stayed in third for a while, then moved to second. Was the fastent of the three heats. I believe Roesler had the second fastest time overall, not sure about that, though.


That certainly explains what seemed to be workout times for most of the competitors. The West regional has been very difficult to watch, with the audio, video and Hytek problems. The East has been very easy to follow. Maybe the West crew is spending too much time down on 6th Street.
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Re: Which event for Laura Roesler? [split]

Postby Master Po » Fri May 25, 2012 8:48 pm

As suggested above, Roesler's 2:04.48 was 2nd fastest Q. Not an impressively fast time, I suppose, but she did exactly what she needed to do in this event in this meet, which is what matters, imo.
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Re: Which event for Laura Roesler? [split]

Postby bruce3404 » Sat May 26, 2012 7:08 pm

Hytek's not giving us splits, but Roessler ran an amazing 3rd leg today in Austin in part of a 3:29+ clocking for the Ducks.
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