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Re: USA's 29 Olympic medals • Moscow contenders

Postby tm71 » Wed Aug 15, 2012 12:38 pm

it is very unlikely the us medal count will go up next year. there are too many variable such as injuries, retirements, expected decline in some of the "older" athletes, not being able to make the team, events getting more competitive world wide etc etc. at least with the world championships the us has several wild cards (a total of 10 individual defending champions) but how many of those are still going to be medal contenders ? i think 25 medals is much more realistic and anything beyond that is a bonus.
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Re: USA's 29 Olympic medals • Moscow contenders

Postby bushop » Wed Aug 15, 2012 2:24 pm

aaronk wrote:
MightyBurner wrote:
bushop wrote:'30 Medals Is Zero Improvement Over 20 Years'
"Clearly a strategic development program aimed at improving the status of these traditionally weak events is needed. Such a program would likely result in a total medal count around 40."
There are also more countries competing for medals. USATF definitely needs to do something about the field events, but I don't know what they can do.
Here's something USATF could do:
Persuade the High School Federation (or whatever it's called) have their athletes move from the junior weights (12 lb shots, etc) and lower hurdles (39" instead of 42") to the international weights and heights for their Junior and Senior years.
Stick with the lesser weights and heights while Frosh and Sophs, then move them EXCLUSIVELY to the international weights and heights the rest of the way!!
That way, there won't be that transition period in their first year of college where they're getting used to the heavier weight implements, etc.

Sorry for my dim-wittedness... are you serious or being sarcastic and saying the opposite what you believe should be done?
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Re: USA's 29 Olympic medals • Moscow contenders

Postby aaronk » Wed Aug 15, 2012 2:55 pm

bushop wrote:
aaronk wrote:
MightyBurner wrote:
bushop wrote:'30 Medals Is Zero Improvement Over 20 Years'
"Clearly a strategic development program aimed at improving the status of these traditionally weak events is needed. Such a program would likely result in a total medal count around 40."
There are also more countries competing for medals. USATF definitely needs to do something about the field events, but I don't know what they can do.
Here's something USATF could do:
Persuade the High School Federation (or whatever it's called) have their athletes move from the junior weights (12 lb shots, etc) and lower hurdles (39" instead of 42") to the international weights and heights for their Junior and Senior years.
Stick with the lesser weights and heights while Frosh and Sophs, then move them EXCLUSIVELY to the international weights and heights the rest of the way!!
That way, there won't be that transition period in their first year of college where they're getting used to the heavier weight implements, etc.

Sorry for my dim-wittedness... are you serious or being sarcastic and saying the opposite what you believe should be done?


If you're asking if I'm serious (or sarcastic) about my suggestion that 11th and 12th graders exclusively throw intl weights and run over 42" hurdles, then I am TOTALLY serious!!

Are HS'ers wimps, sissy's, not capable of using those size implements, etc??
Hell no!!

Michael Carter threw 67-9 with the 16 pounder in 1979, along with his 81-3 1/2 12 pound throw.
Colin McCullough threw 219-7 with the intl hammer.

But it's not only the throws and hurdles that should be changed.
How about having 11th and 12th graders run the collegiate distances on the track, and especially in CC??

Can't they handle a 5K or 10K or a 3000SC (not a 2000SC) on the track, and an 8000 or 10000 in CC??
I've known 10 year olds who ran marathons!!

Get them used to that type of training, and those distances (weights, hurdle heights, etc), and you've got a much stronger collegiate class!!

Also, in the Dec and Hept, use intl wts and the higher hurdles, etc!!
It's ridiculous to have 2 or 3 different Dec records for HS'ers!!
And finally, imagine what Jacko Gill might have done if he'd thrown ONLY the 16 pounder!!
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Re: USA's 29 Olympic medals • Moscow contenders

Postby bushop » Wed Aug 15, 2012 7:07 pm

aaronk wrote:Are HS'ers wimps, sissy's, not capable of using those size implements, etc??
Hell no!!

Would you say the IAAF made mistake by going to lighter implements for the U18 girls?
For example, the U18 girls will be throwing the 3 kg shot put.
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Re: USA's 29 Olympic medals • Moscow contenders

Postby aaronk » Wed Aug 15, 2012 9:03 pm

bushop wrote:
aaronk wrote:Are HS'ers wimps, sissy's, not capable of using those size implements, etc??
Hell no!!

Would you say the IAAF made mistake by going to lighter implements for the U18 girls?
For example, the U18 girls will be throwing the 3 kg shot put.


Tell the truth, I'm NOT up on rules and regs in T&F....at ANY level!!
So I don't know about any new rules for under-18 girls.

But if such a rule has been entered on the books, then YES, I'm against it!!

Here's an analogy:

The 12 lb shot (and all "jr" wts and hurdle heights, etc) are like training wheels on an adult bicycle.
You might need to acclimate yourself to riding a bike....i.e. balancing, etc.
But eventually those training wheels are removed...and the kid is on his way to the Tour de France! :)

You want a solution to the lousy USA results in the throws??
I firmly believe using "jr" wts is a BIG reason why we're so bad there.

By the time a kid is 17 or 18, (usually their Junior or Senior year in high school), their bodies have developed to the point they can handle the heavier weights, the higher hurdles.

Look at some of those guys who throw 75 feet....or even just 70 or 72 feet....with the 12 pounder.....then take 3 or 4 or more years to get anywhere near 70 feet with the 16 pounder!!

If they started in the 11th grade using the 16 pounder exclusively....(throw out the training wheels!!)....you might see more 70 footers in their FIRST year of college....if not in their senior year of high school.

And yes, the same with the girls. Let them too throw away their training wheels after 10th grade!!

(EDIT) Thought of another analogy....but concerning the distances run by high schoolers on the track and cross country.

When I was in school, the Junior Varsity would run 660 yards instead of an 880, or 1320 yards instead of 1 mile.
In CC, we ran 1.5 miles instead of 2 or 3 miles!!
Only on the "Varsity" did we run the full distance!!
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Re: USA's 29 Olympic medals • Moscow contenders

Postby bushop » Wed Aug 15, 2012 9:17 pm

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Re: USA's 29 Olympic medals • Moscow contenders

Postby bushop » Thu Aug 16, 2012 8:59 pm

Letter from Doug Logan
August 12, 2012
"Main structural change was to professionalize high performance and begin to take power and responsibility of elite athlete development out of the hands of volunteer committees that were totally unaccountable to anyone."
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Re: USA's 29 Olympic medals • Moscow contenders

Postby Alan Shank » Sun Aug 19, 2012 9:44 pm

aaronk wrote:
bushop wrote:
aaronk wrote:Are HS'ers wimps, sissy's, not capable of using those size implements, etc??
Hell no!!

Would you say the IAAF made mistake by going to lighter implements for the U18 girls?
For example, the U18 girls will be throwing the 3 kg shot put.


Tell the truth, I'm NOT up on rules and regs in T&F....at ANY level!!


That's pretty obvious.


aaronk wrote:You want a solution to the lousy USA results in the throws??
I firmly believe using "jr" wts is a BIG reason why we're so bad there.


Actually, aaronk, the whole world uses the junior implements for juniors, so why do other countries succeed?

Your examples of Michael Carter and Jacko Gill are not relevant to the mass of high school athletes.

What's your suggestion for the women's TJ? Maybe we should put a bed of hot coals between 42 and 48 feet from the takeoff board. That would get them off their asses! >:-)

Personally, I don't give a good god damn how many medals the US wins, but I would like to see more emphasis placed on the throwing events, especially the javelin, men and women. One of the reasons I don't agree with GH about the Oly Trials being the best meet of all is that we have several events where the fields are mediocre, compared to international ones.

I was surprised to see the 29 medals, but we actually got all the relays on the podium, which hasn't happened in a while (in 2007 we won them all, IIRC).
Cheers,
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Re: USA's 29 Olympic medals • Moscow contenders

Postby Powell » Mon Aug 20, 2012 3:38 am



That's a silly statement. The total number of medals available is roughly constant (OK, a few new events were introduced in the last 20 years, but it's not that much of a difference). Therefore, you can't have all countries win more and more medals over time. If we accept that the US was doing well 20 years ago, then we have to say they are still doing well today if they are still able to win the same number of medals. More than well, considering that the competition has arguably become stronger, with more and more countries developing their T&F programs and fighting for medals.
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Re: USA's 29 Olympic medals • Moscow contenders

Postby bushop » Sun Sep 16, 2012 9:24 am

So says E Garry Hill...

Team USA's men and women were on elevators going opposite directions in London, says the editor.
"LONDON marked Olympic Games No. 10 for me (plus one Winter affair). I’ve always told people my favorite was Munich simply because it was my first. No longer.
London wins by a hair. Unparalleled large and involved crowds in the most hospitable of settings. Wow. Just wow."
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Re: USA's 29 Olympic medals • Moscow contenders

Postby eldanielfire » Mon Sep 17, 2012 10:18 am

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Re: USA's Moscow medal hopes • T&F News says 29

Postby bushop » Tue Jul 02, 2013 10:26 am

Who will win the 30 Moscow medals?

Olympic medalists:
01) Carmelita Jeter (100) silver
02) Allyson Felix (200) gold
03) Carmelita Jeter (200) bronz
04) Sanya Richards-Ross (400) gold
05) Deedee Trotter (400) bronz
06) Kellie Wells (100h) silver
07) Dawn Harper (100h) bronz
08) Lashinda Demus (400h) silver
09) women (4x100) gold
10) women (4x400) gold
11) Brigetta Barrett (HJ) silver
12) Jenn Suhr (PV) gold
13) Brittney Reese (LJ) gold
14) Janay DeLoach (LJ) bronz
15) Justin Gatlin (100) bronz
16) Leonel Manzano (1500) silver
17) Galen Rupp (10k) silver
18) Aries Merritt (110h) gold
19) Jason Richardson (110h) silver
20) Michael Tinsley (400h) silver
21) men (4x100) silver
22) men (4x400) silver
23) Erik Kynard (HJ) silver
24) Will Claye (LJ) silver
25) Reese Hoffa (SP) bronz
26) Christian Taylor (TJ) gold
27) Will Claye (TJ) silver
28) Ashton Eaton (dec) gold
29) Trey Hardee (dec) silver

Olympic top-12:
01) Tianna Madison (100) 4th
02) Allyson Felix (100) 5th
03) Sanya Richards-Ross (200) 5th
04) Francena McCorory (400) 7th
05) Alysia Montano (800) 5th
06) Shannon Rowbury (1500) 6th
07) Morgan Uceny (1500) 12th
08) Molly Huddle (5k) 11th
09) Amy Hastings (10k) 11th
10) Janet Cherobon-Bawcom (10k) 12th
11) Lisa Uhl (10k) 13th
12) Lolo Jones (100h) 4th
13) Georganne Moline (400h) 5th
14) T'erea Brown (400h) 6th
15) Emma Coburn (steeple) 9th
16) Shalane Flanagan (26.2) 10th
17) Kara Goucher (26.2) 11th
18) Chaunte Lowe (HJ) 6th
19) Becky Holliday (PV) 9th
20) Michelle Carter (SP) 5th
21) Stephanie Brown Trafton (DT) 7th
22) Tyson Gay (100m) 4th
23) Ryan Bailey (100m) 5th
24) Wallace Spearmon (200) 4th
25) Bryshon Nellum (400) 9th
26) Duane Solomon (800) 4th
27) Nick Symmonds (800) 5th
28) Matt Centrowitz (1500) 4th
29) Bernard Lagat (5k) 4th
30) Galen Rupp (5k) 7th
31) Lopez Lomong (5k) 10th
32) Jeff Porter (110h) 11th
33) Angelo Taylor (400h) 5th
34) Kerron Clement (400h) 8th
35) Evan Jager (steeple) 6th
36) Don Cabral (steeple) 8th
37) Mebrahtom Keflezighi (26.2) 4th
38) Jamie Nieto (HJ) 6th
39) Jesse Williams (HJ) 9th
40) Marquise Goodwin (LJ) 10th
41) Ryan Whiting (SP) 4th
42) Christian Cantwell (SP) 9th
43) Kibwé Johnson (HT) 9th

T&F News Moscow medal picks:
01) Carmelita Jeter (100)

02) Allyson Felix (200)
03) Kimberlyn Duncan (200)
04) Brianna Rollins (100h)
05) Dawn Harper-Nelson (100h)
06) Lashinda Demus (400h)
07) women (4x100)
08) women (4x400)
09) Brigetta Barrett (HJ)
10) Jenn Suhr (PV)
11) Brittney Reese (LJ)
12) Janay DeLoach Soukup (LJ)
13) Tyson Gay (100)
14) Justin Gatlin (100)
15) LaShawn Merritt (400)
16) Duane Solomon (800)
17) Matt Centrowitz (1500)
18) Galen Rupp (10k)
19) Aries Merritt (110h)
20) David Oliver (110h)
21) Michael Tinsley (400h)
22) men (4x100)
23) men (4x400)
24) Christian Taylor (TJ)
25) Will Claye (TJ)
26) Ryan Whiting (SP)
27) Ashton Eaton (dec)
28) Trey Hardee (dec)
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Re: USA's Moscow medal hopes • T&F News says 29

Postby eldanielfire » Tue Jul 02, 2013 2:33 pm

T&F News Moscow medal picks:
01) Carmelita Jeter (100) - Can't see it until we see how she recovers.

02) Allyson Felix (200) - ALmost certain. Gold may be under threat now though.
03) Kimberlyn Duncan (200)- Maybe.
04) Brianna Rollins (100h) - Looking hot.
05) Dawn Harper-Nelson (100h)- IMo the favourite. Proven big time performer.
06) Lashinda Demus (400h) - I'm seriously doubting this. Moline looks more likely.
07) women (4x100) - Yep. Just get the batton around.
08) women (4x400) - See above.
09) Brigetta Barrett (HJ) - Yep, looking hot for the gold.
10) Jenn Suhr (PV)- Yep.
11) Brittney Reese (LJ)- As long as she doesn't foul constantly.
12) Janay DeLoach Soukup (LJ) Maybe
13) Tyson Gay (100) Yeah,
14) Justin Gatlin (100) Sadly with no Blake.

15) LaShawn Merritt (400) like Gatlin
16) Duane Solomon (800) Looking the best I've seen him. But still an outside chance.
17) Matt Centrowitz (1500) Nah!
18) Galen Rupp (10k) Maybe, he needs to run more aggressively and sensibly. More like Mo.
19) Aries Merritt (110h) I don't know now. The 110m is a lottery this year.
20) David Oliver (110h) See above.
21) Michael Tinsley (400h) Should do.
22) men (4x100) Get the batton around.
23) men (4x400) Again.
24) Christian Taylor (TJ) Should do.
25) Will Claye (TJ) Should do.
26) Ryan Whiting (SP). Reece Hoffa may be the alternative pick for this.
27) Ashton Eaton (dec) Dead cert
28) Trey Hardee (dec) Good chance.
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Re: USA's Moscow medal hopes • T&F News says 29

Postby bushop » Tue Jul 02, 2013 6:11 pm

eldanielfire wrote:T&F News Moscow medal picks:
01) Carmelita Jeter (100) - Can't see it until we see how she recovers....etc

Very nice... who would you add that T&F News did not pick?
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Re: USA's Moscow medal hopes • T&F News says 29

Postby tm71 » Tue Jul 02, 2013 6:47 pm

Decent chance for medals
Women:
Michelle carter shot put - career season so this could be her best chance if she be close to 20m
Sharon day hepta
Amanda bingson hammer throw - AR closer than ever to WR but unproven entity at this level
Moline and/or muhammad 400 h - both with PRs and SBs under 54 so either could snatch a medal especially if vets falter
Hastings and/or McCrory 400 - francena has been 4th before bound to
go under 50
English Gardner 100 - reminds me of a younger lauryn williams
Jenny Simpson 1500 - is having a better year than in 2011 but her event is very competitive this year. Ok I am not going to put Mary Cain but that would be the ultimate cinderella story !

Men:
Symmonds 800 - could be his last good chance especially with front runners rudisha and Amos not at their best
Richardson and/or Wilson 110 mh - in my opinion Oliver has been the most consistent American this year at this event but any of the four Americans could medal
Clement and/or B jackson 400 h - they are very experienced so if Sanchez can win at almost 36 they can medal in the right circumstances
Manzano 1500 - regardless of his sub par season if he gets the A he will
be a threat in a 334-335 race
Hoffa shot put - don't count him out since he is consistent around 21 m
Kynnard high jump - he has had a very good season thus far but his event is very competitive this year
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Re: USA's Moscow medal hopes • T&F News says 29

Postby beebee » Tue Jul 02, 2013 7:04 pm

tm71 wrote:Decent chance for medals
Women:
Michelle carter shot put - career season so this could be her best chance if she be close to 20m
Sharon day hepta
Amanda bingson hammer throw - AR closer than ever to WR but unproven entity at this level
Moline and/or muhammad 400 h - both with PRs and SBs under 54 so either could snatch a medal especially if vets falter
Hastings and/or McCrory 400 - francena has been 4th before bound to
go under 50
English Gardner 100 - reminds me of a younger lauryn williams
Jenny Simpson 1500 - is having a better year than in 2011 but her event is very competitive this year. Ok I am not going to put Mary Cain but that would be the ultimate cinderella story !

Men:
Symmonds 800 - could be his last good chance especially with front runners rudisha and Amos not at their best
Richardson and/or Wilson 110 mh - in my opinion Oliver has been the most consistent American this year at this event but any of the four Americans could medal
Clement and/or B jackson 400 h - they are very experienced so if Sanchez can win at almost 36 they can medal in the right circumstances
Manzano 1500 - regardless of his sub par season if he gets the A he will
be a threat in a 334-335 race
Hoffa shot put - don't count him out since he is consistent around 21 m
Kynnard high jump - he has had a very good season thus far but his event is very competitive this year


No Jeter, Felix, Gay, Gatlin, Rolllins, Harper-Nelson, Reese, mens, womens relays, Demus, Suhr, Eaton, Hardee, Barrett, Taylor, Merritt, more but I'm getting tired and you have no cred now.
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Re: USA's Moscow medal hopes • T&F News says 29

Postby bushop » Tue Jul 02, 2013 7:16 pm

beebee wrote:
tm71 wrote:Decent chance for medals
Women: [tm71's additions]
Men: [tm71's additions]
No Jeter, Felix, Gay, Gatlin, Rolllins, Harper-Nelson, Reese, mens, womens relays, Demus, Suhr, Eaton, Hardee, Barrett, Taylor, Merritt, more but I'm getting tired and you have no cred now.

beebee, could you consider that maybe tm71 is adding folks T&F News did not pick as medalists? Seems like tm71 is just adding her/ his opinion... which is nice and can make for an interesting thread.
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Re: USA's Moscow medal hopes • T&F News says 29

Postby beebee » Tue Jul 02, 2013 7:22 pm

bushop wrote:
beebee wrote:
tm71 wrote:Decent chance for medals
Women: [tm71's additions]
Men: [tm71's additions]
No Jeter, Felix, Gay, Gatlin, Rolllins, Harper-Nelson, Reese, mens, womens relays, Demus, Suhr, Eaton, Hardee, Barrett, Taylor, Merritt, more but I'm getting tired and you have no cred now.

beebee, could you consider that maybe tm71 is adding folks T&F News did not pick as medalists?



If that is true, sorry for the misunderstanding...

Clarifying that would have made it easier to comprehend.
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Re: USA's Moscow medal hopes • T&F News says 29

Postby bushop » Tue Jul 02, 2013 7:25 pm

beebee wrote:
bushop wrote:
beebee wrote:
tm71 wrote:Decent chance for medals
Women: [tm71's additions]
Men: [tm71's additions]
No Jeter, Felix, Gay, Gatlin, Rolllins, Harper-Nelson, Reese, mens, womens relays, Demus, Suhr, Eaton, Hardee, Barrett, Taylor, Merritt, more but I'm getting tired and you have no cred now.

beebee, could you consider that maybe tm71 is adding folks T&F News did not pick as medalists?
If that is true, sorry for the misunderstanding...
Clarifying that would have made it easier to comprehend.

... another option is to be nice; then one does not have to concern oneself with one's level of comprehension skills.
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Re: USA's Moscow medal hopes • T&F News says 29

Postby tm71 » Tue Jul 02, 2013 7:36 pm

bushop wrote:
beebee wrote:
tm71 wrote:Decent chance for medals
Women: [tm71's additions]
Men: [tm71's additions]
No Jeter, Felix, Gay, Gatlin, Rolllins, Harper-Nelson, Reese, mens, womens relays, Demus, Suhr, Eaton, Hardee, Barrett, Taylor, Merritt, more but I'm getting tired and you have no cred now.

beebee, could you consider that maybe tm71 is adding folks T&F News did not pick as medalists?


Bushop u are totally right my friend. I was simply answering your question regarding which other americans that T&F news didn't pick that have chances to get a medal. As I stated in my post those athletes have a decent chance to medal but none are as solid picks as the bible of the sport predicted. As far as TFNs picks I would only question jeter (as we don't know how recovered she will be by august 10) and claye (hasn't even jumped 17 meter thus far). Aries Merritt and Demus have been way off their best thus far but hopefully saving their best for August.
Mr Bushop thanks for being patient !
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Re: USA's Moscow medal hopes • T&F News says 29

Postby ATK » Tue Jul 02, 2013 7:56 pm

Does Will Claye even have a standard yet to eligible for Moscow?
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Re: USA's Moscow medal hopes • T&F News says 29

Postby tm71 » Wed Jul 03, 2013 11:46 am

ATK wrote:Does Will Claye even have a standard yet to eligible for Moscow?


he has the B standard just like craddock, but craddock finished ahead of him at the usatf meet. so either he has to get an A or hope that craddock gets an A and no one else besides taylor who has a wild card get an A.
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Re: USA's Moscow medal hopes • T&F News says 29

Postby jjimbojames » Wed Jul 03, 2013 12:12 pm

tm71 wrote:
bushop wrote:
beebee wrote:
tm71 wrote:Decent chance for medals
Women: [tm71's additions]
Men: [tm71's additions]
No Jeter, Felix, Gay, Gatlin, Rolllins, Harper-Nelson, Reese, mens, womens relays, Demus, Suhr, Eaton, Hardee, Barrett, Taylor, Merritt, more but I'm getting tired and you have no cred now.

beebee, could you consider that maybe tm71 is adding folks T&F News did not pick as medalists?


Bushop u are totally right my friend. I was simply answering your question regarding which other americans that T&F news didn't pick that have chances to get a medal.

Exactly how I read your original post too - some people need to chill out!
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Re: USA's Moscow medal hopes • T&F News says 29

Postby TN1965 » Wed Jul 03, 2013 2:50 pm

tm71 wrote:Decent chance for medals
Women:
Michelle carter shot put - career season so this could be her best chance if she be close to 20m
Sharon day hepta
Amanda bingson hammer throw - AR closer than ever to WR but unproven entity at this level
Moline and/or muhammad 400 h - both with PRs and SBs under 54 so either could snatch a medal especially if vets falter
Hastings and/or McCrory 400 - francena has been 4th before bound to
go under 50
English Gardner 100 - reminds me of a younger lauryn williams
Jenny Simpson 1500 - is having a better year than in 2011 but her event is very competitive this year. Ok I am not going to put Mary Cain but that would be the ultimate cinderella story !

Men:
Symmonds 800 - could be his last good chance especially with front runners rudisha and Amos not at their best
Richardson and/or Wilson 110 mh - in my opinion Oliver has been the most consistent American this year at this event but any of the four Americans could medal
Clement and/or B jackson 400 h - they are very experienced so if Sanchez can win at almost 36 they can medal in the right circumstances
Manzano 1500 - regardless of his sub par season if he gets the A he will
be a threat in a 334-335 race
Hoffa shot put - don't count him out since he is consistent around 21 m
Kynnard high jump - he has had a very good season thus far but his event is very competitive this year


If Symmonds and Manzano have decent chances, I'd add Lagat (5000) Jager (3000SC) and Flanagan (10000). And the optimist in me says Montano or Martinez in 800 has an outside shot.
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Re: USA's Moscow medal hopes • T&F News says 29

Postby bushop » Fri Jul 19, 2013 4:24 pm

Who will win the 30 Moscow medals?

Olympic medalists:
01) Carmelita Jeter (100) silver
02) Allyson Felix (200) gold
03) Carmelita Jeter (200) bronz
04) Sanya Richards-Ross (400) gold
05) Deedee Trotter (400) bronz
06) Kellie Wells (100h) silver
07) Dawn Harper (100h) bronz
08) Lashinda Demus (400h) silver
09) women (4x100) gold
10) women (4x400) gold
11) Brigetta Barrett (HJ) silver
12) Jenn Suhr (PV) gold
13) Brittney Reese (LJ) gold
14) Janay DeLoach (LJ) bronz
15) Justin Gatlin (100) bronz
16) Leonel Manzano (1500) silver
17) Galen Rupp (10k) silver
18) Aries Merritt (110h) gold
19) Jason Richardson (110h) silver
20) Michael Tinsley (400h) silver
21) men (4x100) silver
22) men (4x400) silver
23) Erik Kynard (HJ) silver
24) Will Claye (LJ) silver
25) Reese Hoffa (SP) bronz
26) Christian Taylor (TJ) gold
27) Will Claye (TJ) silver
28) Ashton Eaton (dec) gold
29) Trey Hardee (dec) silver

Olympic top-12:
01) Tianna Madison (100) 4th
02) Allyson Felix (100) 5th
03) Sanya Richards-Ross (200) 5th
04) Francena McCorory (400) 7th
05) Alysia Montano (800) 5th
06) Shannon Rowbury (1500) 6th
07) Morgan Uceny (1500) 12th
08) Molly Huddle (5k) 11th
09) Amy Hastings (10k) 11th
10) Janet Cherobon-Bawcom (10k) 12th
11) Lisa Uhl (10k) 13th
12) Lolo Jones (100h) 4th
13) Georganne Moline (400h) 5th
14) T'erea Brown (400h) 6th
15) Emma Coburn (steeple) 9th
16) Shalane Flanagan (26.2) 10th
17) Kara Goucher (26.2) 11th
18) Chaunte Lowe (HJ) 6th
19) Becky Holliday (PV) 9th
20) Michelle Carter (SP) 5th
21) Stephanie Brown Trafton (DT) 7th
22) Tyson Gay (100m) 4th
23) Ryan Bailey (100m) 5th
24) Wallace Spearmon (200) 4th
25) Bryshon Nellum (400) 9th
26) Duane Solomon (800) 4th
27) Nick Symmonds (800) 5th
28) Matt Centrowitz (1500) 4th
29) Bernard Lagat (5k) 4th
30) Galen Rupp (5k) 7th
31) Lopez Lomong (5k) 10th
32) Jeff Porter (110h) 11th
33) Angelo Taylor (400h) 5th
34) Kerron Clement (400h) 8th
35) Evan Jager (steeple) 6th
36) Don Cabral (steeple) 8th
37) Mebrahtom Keflezighi (26.2) 4th
38) Jamie Nieto (HJ) 6th
39) Jesse Williams (HJ) 9th
40) Marquise Goodwin (LJ) 10th
41) Ryan Whiting (SP) 4th
42) Christian Cantwell (SP) 9th
43) Kibwé Johnson (HT) 9th

T&F News Moscow medal picks:

dropped from last list:
Tyson Gay (100)
Will Claye (TJ)
Matt Centrowitz (1500)

*added to list

01) Carmelita Jeter (100)

02) Allyson Felix (200)
03) Kimberlyn Duncan (200)
04) Francena McCorory (400)*
05) Brianna Rollins (100h)
06) Dawn Harper-Nelson (100h)
07) Lashinda Demus (400h)
08) women (4x100)
09) women (4x400)
10) Brigetta Barrett (HJ)
11) Jenn Suhr (PV)
12) Brittney Reese (LJ)
13) Janay DeLoach Soukup (LJ)
14) Justin Gatlin (100)

15) LaShawn Merritt (400)
16) Duane Solomon (800)
17) Galen Rupp (10k)
18) Aries Merritt (110h)
19) David Oliver (110h)
20) Michael Tinsley (400h)
21) men (4x100)
22) men (4x400)
23) Christian Taylor (TJ)
24) Ryan Whiting (SP)
25) Reese Hoffa (SP)*
26) Ashton Eaton (dec)
27) Trey Hardee (dec)
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Re: USA's Moscow medal hopes • T&F News says 27

Postby bushop » Tue Jul 23, 2013 1:05 pm

Team USA, 2013 roster with links and sortable data.
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Re: USA's Moscow medal hopes • T&F News says 27

Postby t_monk » Tue Jul 23, 2013 4:58 pm

Where has Demus been all season?
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Re: USA's Moscow medal hopes • T&F News says 29

Postby bushop » Mon Aug 12, 2013 3:34 pm

Who will win the 30 Moscow medals?

Olympic medalists:
01) Carmelita Jeter (100) silver
02) Allyson Felix (200) gold
03) Carmelita Jeter (200) bronz
04) Sanya Richards-Ross (400) gold
05) Deedee Trotter (400) bronz
06) Kellie Wells (100h) silver
07) Dawn Harper (100h) bronz
08) Lashinda Demus (400h) silver
09) women (4x100) gold
10) women (4x400) gold
11) Brigetta Barrett (HJ) silver
12) Jenn Suhr (PV) gold
13) Brittney Reese (LJ) gold
14) Janay DeLoach (LJ) bronz
15) Justin Gatlin (100) bronz
16) Leonel Manzano (1500) silver
17) Galen Rupp (10k) silver
18) Aries Merritt (110h) gold
19) Jason Richardson (110h) silver
20) Michael Tinsley (400h) silver
21) men (4x100) silver
22) men (4x400) silver
23) Erik Kynard (HJ) silver
24) Will Claye (LJ) silver
25) Reese Hoffa (SP) bronz
26) Christian Taylor (TJ) gold
27) Will Claye (TJ) silver
28) Ashton Eaton (dec) gold
29) Trey Hardee (dec) silver

T&F News Moscow medal picks:

dropped from last list:
Francena McCorory (400)
Janay DeLoach Soukup (LJ)
Galen Rupp (10k)

*added to list

01) Carmelita Jeter (100)

02) Allyson Felix (200)
03) Kimberlyn Duncan (200)
04) Jenny Simpson (1500)*
05) Brianna Rollins (100h)
06) Dawn Harper-Nelson (100h)
07) Georganne Moline (400h)
08) women (4x100)
09) women (4x400)
10) Brigetta Barrett (HJ)
11) Jenn Suhr (PV)
12) Brittney Reese (LJ)
13) Justin Gatlin (100)

14) LaShawn Merritt (400)
15) Tony McQuay (400)*
16) Duane Solomon (800)
17) Bernard Lagat (5k)*
18) Aries Merritt (110h)
19) David Oliver (110h)
20) Michael Tinsley (400h)
21) men (4x100)
22) men (4x400)
23) Erik Kynard (HJ)*
24) Christian Taylor (TJ)
25) Ryan Whiting (SP)
26) Reese Hoffa (SP)
27) Ashton Eaton (dec)
28) Trey Hardee (dec)
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Re: USA's Moscow medal hopes • T&F News says 29

Postby bushop » Mon Aug 12, 2013 3:47 pm

Who will win the 30 Moscow medals?

T&F News Moscow medal picks:

01) Carmelita Jeter (100) bronze
02) Brittney Reese (LJ) gold
03) Justin Gatlin (100)
 silver
04) David Oliver (110h) gold
05) Ryan Wilson (110h)
 silver
06) Ashton Eaton (dec) gold

01) Aries Merritt (110h) 6th
02) Trey Hardee (dec) inj


01) Allyson Felix (200)
02) Kimberlyn Duncan (200)
03) Jenny Simpson (1500)
04) Brianna Rollins (100h)
05) Dawn Harper-Nelson (100h)
06) Georganne Moline (400h)
07) women (4x100)
08) women (4x400)
09) Brigetta Barrett (HJ)
10) Jenn Suhr (PV)
11) LaShawn Merritt (400)
12) Tony McQuay (400)
13) Duane Solomon (800)
14) Bernard Lagat (5k)
15) Michael Tinsley (400h)
16) men (4x100)
17) men (4x400)
18) Erik Kynard (HJ)
19) Christian Taylor (TJ)
20) Ryan Whiting (SP)
21) Reese Hoffa (SP)
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