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Postby norunner » Wed Aug 07, 2013 4:54 am

iain wrote:Clearly the 4x100m is not this simple, but this shows clearly that GB should be favourites for bronze:

JAM - 9.85, 9.87, 9.96, 9.99 = 39.67
USA - 9,89, 9.96, 9.96, 9.98 = 39.79
GBR - 9.91, 10.04, 10.08, 10.10 = 40.13
FRA - 9.95, 10.07, 10.22, 10.22 = 40.46
CAN - 10.05, 10.12, 10.14, 10.19 = 40.50
GER - 10.07, 10.08, 10.20, 10.21 = 40.56 (all times from the same race, some here called them suspect)
JPN - 10.01, 10.11, 10.23, 10.28 = 40.63
SKN - 10.01, 10.01, 10.25, 10.36 = 40.63 (40.25 with Collins)
TRI - 10.09, 10.14, 10.21, 10.24 = 40.68
CHN - 10.04, 10.06, 10.29, 10.30 = 40.69
NED - 10.03, 10.37, 10.38, 10.42 = 41.30
GER time from same event, different races, remind me again, how many of the GBR times were from the same event in Birmingham and does anyone call that event suspect? 8-)
The main reason why GBR are not favourites: Exchanges, too often they don't get them done and that is what really matters in close competitions. I'm guessing GBR on paper were also faster than NL at the ECs last year and in Daegu they were faster than France and SKN, did they win any medals there?
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Re: UK's Moscow medal hopes • T&F News said 3

Postby iain » Wed Aug 07, 2013 5:10 am

norunner wrote:GER time from same event, different races, remind me again, how many of the GBR times were from the same event in Birmingham and does anyone call that event suspect? 8-)
The main reason why GBR are not favourites: Exchanges, too often they don't get them done and that is what really matters in close competitions. I'm guessing GBR on paper were also faster than NL at the ECs last year and in Daegu they were faster than France and SKN, did they win any medals there?


I have actually mentioned exchanges a few times, saying GB are faces for bronze if they complete!
Hey I wasn't the one calling them suspect :mrgreen:

batonless relay wrote:I'm wondering where you're getting that GBR 10.10 from but it matters not. If you think that HAA is the better than Lemaitre because of SB's, then you're the one pulling my leg. SB's, or even PB's for that matter, are indicators but not necessarily signifiers - they don't tell us what will or can happen. Why? Because running the 100m mostly tells you how well someone accelerates from the blocks and the relays are executed with running starts for all but the first leg. This gives teams like France an advantage because they have a horrifically poor blocks starter in Lemaitre. And, TRI, despite their SB's are still better sprinters than almost all other teams...how do we know this? Check the wind-aided marks. Bledman 9.86; Thompson, 9.91; Sorillo 9.99. TRI is still the bronze leader, imo, but they're very vulnerable.

Lastly, SKN. They ran 38.41 without Kim Collins in London. Adams was 10.10 last year; he's improved to 10.01 this year. Rogers was 10.06 last year; he's improved to 10.01 this year. If they can get equal to slightly better quality out of the other two sprinters than they're bumping against the 38 second line. The world is improving; and the best part about the relays is that it's coming from different places. Africa is absent and Asia is ascending; and with Rio '16 being only 3 years away you can expect improvement with the Brazilians. Hopefully, it will wake up the rest of South America.


It was a time from Joel Fearon. Really he won't be in the team, but I just took fastest four. Gemili who has a 10.14 he had an awful start, Lemaitre-esque.
No I don't think HAA is quicker than Lenaitre on SBs because Lemaitre has run 0.01 quicker ;P
Clearly, these are just an indicator, as I pointed out at the top o my post, but GB are a long way ahead of France on those times, so they give a good idea.

So the fact that SKN ran 38.4 on a super quick track, admittedly with marginally slower runners, means they will get close to 38? Hmmm :roll:

Clearly we will not agree, but I hope I have shown that GB for bronze, is not, as you called it 'a bit of a wish'
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Re: UK's Moscow medal hopes • T&F News says 3

Postby bushop » Mon Aug 12, 2013 12:07 pm

Who are the eighteen Moscow medal contenders?

2012:
Olympic medalists:
01) Jessica Ennis (hept) gold
02) Christine Ohuruogu (400m) silver
03) Mo Farah (10k) gold
04) Mo Farah (5k) gold
05) Greg Rutherford (LJ) gold
06) Robert Grabarz (HJ) bronze

Olympic top-12:
01) Dai Greene (400m h) 4th
02) men (4x400m) 4th
03) Yamilé Aldama (TJ) 5th
04) Steve Lewis (PV) 5th
05) Chris Tomlinson (LJ) 6th
06) Holly Bleasdale (PV) 6th
07) Shara Proctor (LJ) 9th
08) Lisa Dobriskey (1500) 10th
09) Laura Weightman (1500) 11th
10) Lawrence Okoye (DT) 12th
11) women (4x400m) 5th

T&F News Moscow World Championship top-10 picks:

Ennis-Hill out with injury

01) James Dasaolou (5th 100m)
02) Andrew Osagie (10th 800m)
03) Mo Farah (1st 5k)
04) Mo Farah (1st 10k)
05) men's 4x100m (3rd)
06) men's 4x400m (5th)
07) Robbie Grabarz (7th high jump)
08) Steve Lewis (10th pole vault)
09) Greg Rutherford (3rd long jump)
10) Christine Ohuruogu (3rd 400m)
11) Tiffany Porter (5th 100m hurdles)
12) Perri Shakes-Drayton (2nd 400m hurdles)
13) Eilidh Child (8th 400m hurdles)
14) women's 4x100m (5th)
15) men's 4x400m (4th)
16) Shara Proctor (5th hammer)
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Re: UK's Moscow medal hopes • T&F News says 3

Postby bushop » Mon Aug 12, 2013 3:52 pm

T&F News Moscow World Championship medal picks:

01) Mo Farah (10k) gold
02) Christine Ohuruogu (400m) gold

01) Mo Farah (1st 5k)
02) men's 4x100m (3rd)
03) Greg Rutherford (3rd long jump)
04) Perri Shakes-Drayton (2nd 400m hurdles)
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