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Re: UK's London Olympics medal contenders

Postby mump boy » Sat Jun 18, 2011 8:12 am

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Re: UK's London Olympics medal contenders

Postby bushop » Sat Jun 18, 2011 8:38 am

Britain ready to lay down gauntlet to Russia in Stockholm this weekend
"When we travel out we should always try to win it...," Van Commenee remains quietly satisfied about the improvement in his athletes in the run-up to the Olympics... "We are heading in the right direction. We've had quite a few interesting performances already this early season, with Greg Rutherford, Dai Greene, Jenny Meadows, Mo Farah, Jessica Ennis. So it's quite good, but it would be too soon if the Games were played this year. We do need those 14 months to build the team stronger and I know from experience you can do amazing things in 12 months,"
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Re: UK's London Olympic contenders [van Commenee v. Idowu]

Postby shivfan » Sun Jun 19, 2011 12:53 am

Thanks for that, mumps....

Julian Reid, eh? I must admit, I haven't heard of him.

It's a strange decision for Reid to make, because Britain already have some useful triple and long jumpers. But Jamaica don't have any of significance....

As for the CVC vs Idowu is concerned, I feel it's much ado about nothing. I don't know why CVC is making such a fuss over Idowu's withdrawal from this minor competition. Surely, getting a gold medal at the World Champs is a higher priority? If CVC keeps on this track, calling Idowu a 'clown' for using twitter, he's only going to succeed in upsetting Idowu's preparations for Daegu.
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Re: UK's London Olympic contenders [van Commenee v. Idowu]

Postby mump boy » Sun Jun 19, 2011 4:36 am

shivfan wrote:Thanks for that, mumps....

Julian Reid, eh? I must admit, I haven't heard of him.

It's a strange decision for Reid to make, because Britain already have some useful triple and long jumpers. But Jamaica don't have any of significance....

As for the CVC vs Idowu is concerned, I feel it's much ado about nothing. I don't know why CVC is making such a fuss over Idowu's withdrawal from this minor competition. Surely, getting a gold medal at the World Champs is a higher priority? If CVC keeps on this track, calling Idowu a 'clown' for using twitter, he's only going to succeed in upsetting Idowu's preparations for Daegu.


couldn't agree more although to be fair CVC didn't make much of a fuss just answered a question put to him by BBC and he wasn't directly talking about Phillips but about the whole culture of Twitter. OF course then Phillips went on radio and said his piece and the BBC spent all afternoon talking about this crap instead of showing action :x :x

They all need to grow up in my opionion
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Re: UK's London Olympic contenders [van Commenee v. Idowu]

Postby bushop » Mon Jun 20, 2011 5:32 am

Van Commenee pledges to resolve bitter Idowu row
"It was not exactly a peace in our time declaration but at the end of the European Team Championships here yesterday Charles van Commenee pledged to bring an end to the Great British Twitter War that has cast an embarrassing shadow over the British squad's time in the Swedish capital..."
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Re: UK's London Olympic contenders [van Commenee v. Idowu]

Postby tandfman » Mon Jun 20, 2011 6:23 pm

shivfan wrote:Julian Reid, eh? I must admit, I haven't heard of him.

Third in the NCAA triple jump in Des Moines. Second two years ago.
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Re: UK's London Olympic contenders

Postby bushop » Fri Jun 24, 2011 5:49 pm

'Plastic Brits' just one of the headaches for UK head coach
"In addition to a certain public antipathy towards the athletes, UK Athletics head coach Charles van Commenee has also been criticised for what the Britain's 2010 Sports Writer of the Year Martin Samuel referred to in the Daily Mail on Monday as: "His practice of snapping up fringe athletes from rival nations to run beneath the Team GB banner."
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Re: UK's London Olympic contenders

Postby bushop » Fri Jun 24, 2011 5:56 pm

Julian Reid switch reignites allegiance controversy
"It is understood that he may have to wait a while before he can represent Britain at a major championships, but he could compete at smaller international meetings – such as the European Team Championships – as soon as next year. The World Championships in Daegu this year may come too soon, but his eligibility could be finalised before the London 2012 Olympics."
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Re: UK's London Olympic contenders

Postby bushop » Sun Jun 26, 2011 6:32 pm

Losing my record to a Plastic Brit has left me devastated
"Angela Thorp is what you might call the collateral damage of Van Commenee’s self-serving recruitment policy: a Yorkshire girl who dedicated her life to athletics, and whose greatest achievement has now been erased by a Plastic Brit passing through our sport for purely selfish reasons."
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Re: UK's London Olympic medal contenders

Postby bushop » Wed Jul 06, 2011 11:27 am

Olympics 2012: How many medals is home cooking worth?
"Which begs the question: just how many more medals can a home country expect when hosting an Olympic Games?
The answer is – unless you’re the United States – quite a few more..."
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Re: UK's London Olympic medal contenders

Postby Daisy » Wed Jul 06, 2011 11:33 am

bushop wrote:The answer is – unless you’re the United States – quite a few more..."

That's an interesting study. In defense of the United States, it's hard to win more when you are already winning over a 100. One thing I noticed, especially for Spain, is that the gains reach into the following olympiads too.
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Re: UK's London Olympic contenders

Postby 26mi235 » Wed Jul 06, 2011 1:01 pm

bushop wrote:Losing my record to a Plastic Brit has left me devastated
"Angela Thorp is what you might call the collateral damage of Van Commenee’s self-serving recruitment policy: a Yorkshire girl who dedicated her life to athletics, and whose greatest achievement has now been erased by a Plastic Brit passing through our sport for purely selfish reasons."


Ofili-Porter is unlikely to win a medal for Britain, either. At the USA Track and Field Championships last year, four American athletes alone were faster than her. Her best time this year does not put her in the top seven in the world (she is behind six Americans and a Canadian)

Note that only three Americans can run (unless they won the WCs last time), so that would bring her to being behind four runners -- that is, fifth in the world, probably as high as most of Britain's medal hopes. Also, as a young athlete we might expect that she is still improving and will be better over time.

I am not sure about this, but one possible reason that she can compete so soon is because she already has dual citizenship -- hardly a completely 'plastic' Brit. But, I do not know enough about her details, just that a niece and nephew were raised in the UK (actually the Isle of Man) and two nephews and a niece have dual citizenship through their mom (one was actually born in Germany, so he had three choices).
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Re: UK's London Olympic medal contenders

Postby bushop » Wed Jul 13, 2011 5:16 am

Brits told 'keep your room tidy to win gold'
"Under the five key headings of performance, responsibility, unity, pride and respect, Woodward lays out guidelines such as which he believes will give Team GB the psychological edge against the best the world has to offer next summer.
Those requirements include "keeping your accommodation clean and tidy", "handling Facebook and Tweeting in a responsible fashion" and "out in the public domain (avoid using) any bad language."

Will Britain's lack of home-grown coaching talent limit the sustainability of London 2012's legacy?
"However van Commenee could turn tables and ask whether British sport could actually survive without a little help from abroad, not just on the track and field but in preparing for the Olympics.

For he is just one of over 50 imports whose expertise has become an integral part of the games we play, and how we play them."

Jess is the best
"The track and field star is the World and European heptathlon champion, as well as the world indoor pentathlon champion, and Daley told Sky Sports News HD he had high hopes for the 25-year-old.

"I think at the moment she would be my favourite out of all the people in the athletics team to win gold," said the two-time Olympic champion."
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Re: UK's London Olympic medal contenders

Postby bushop » Wed Jul 20, 2011 7:59 pm

Van Commenee blasts underperformers as Olympic countdown begins
"The head coach of UK Athletics believes they need every one of the 365 days remaining before the opening ceremony to make the necessary improvements if Great Britain are to reach the target of eight medals, including at least one gold.
Van Commenee reckons the British team need at least 15 athletes capable of making the medal podium to hit their target."

The goal is just two more medals than the Aussies?

Six athletics medals the target in London
"By virtue of what he calls "the best core of reliable top-end performers we've ever had", Hollingsworth's claim doesn't seem outlandish even though the four-medal haul at Beijing in 2008 was the best by an Australian Olympic track and field squad in four decades."
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Re: UK's London Olympics medal contenders

Postby bushop » Thu Jul 21, 2011 7:20 pm

Van Commenee attacks Idowu for tweeting GB team pull-out
Saturday, 18 June 2011
"Asked whether he might still be in charge, Van Commenee, whose contract expires after the London Olympics, said: "Absolutely. It is certainly my intention to hit the target at the Games [a tally of eight medals], and then we can talk about me staying. But certainly it is my ambition. A lot of jobs depend on success or failure in 2012, so hopefully if we do well then everybody can carry on."

No relationship with 'liar' Van Commenee - Phillips Idowu
Saturday, 18 June 2011 17:00 UK
But the British triple jumper Phillips Idowu says he informed UK Athletics and Van Commenee's staff before informing his followers on the social networking site.

UK Athletics boss Van Commenee criticises Idowu tweet
Friday, 17 June 2011 19:06 UK
"These things are done personally, there are certain channels you have to follow," said Charles van Commenee. "I expect somebody with such a profile to follow these procedures."

Phillips Idowu wants apology from Charles van Commenee
Thursday, 21 July 2011 18:11 UK
"I haven't spoken to Charles since that incident and I have said that I won't speak to him until he publicly apologises. Until then I don't want anything to do with him."
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Re: UK's London Olympics medal contenders

Postby mump boy » Fri Jul 22, 2011 12:31 am

bushop wrote:Van Commenee attacks Idowu for tweeting GB team pull-out
Saturday, 18 June 2011
"Asked whether he might still be in charge, Van Commenee, whose contract expires after the London Olympics, said: "Absolutely. It is certainly my intention to hit the target at the Games [a tally of eight medals], and then we can talk about me staying. But certainly it is my ambition. A lot of jobs depend on success or failure in 2012, so hopefully if we do well then everybody can carry on."

No relationship with 'liar' Van Commenee - Phillips Idowu
Saturday, 18 June 2011 17:00 UK
But the British triple jumper Phillips Idowu says he informed UK Athletics and Van Commenee's staff before informing his followers on the social networking site.

UK Athletics boss Van Commenee criticises Idowu tweet
Friday, 17 June 2011 19:06 UK
"These things are done personally, there are certain channels you have to follow," said Charles van Commenee. "I expect somebody with such a profile to follow these procedures."

Phillips Idowu wants apology from Charles van Commenee
Thursday, 21 July 2011 18:11 UK
"I haven't spoken to Charles since that incident and I have said that I won't speak to him until he publicly apologises. Until then I don't want anything to do with him."


GROW UP :roll:
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Re: UK's London Olympics medal contenders

Postby 26mi235 » Fri Jul 22, 2011 8:05 am

mump boy wrote:GROW UP :roll:


Which one? One is paid to produce, one is paid to manage things. It seems like the one who is supposed to manage things is the one not doing his job.
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Re: UK's London Olympics medal contenders

Postby 7-sided » Fri Jul 22, 2011 8:08 am

26mi235 wrote:
mump boy wrote:GROW UP :roll:


Which one? One is paid to produce, one is paid to manage things. It seems like the one who is supposed to manage things is the one not doing his job.

Agreed! I would have fired CVC by now. Some of his comments are just unnecessary. He needs to go find more athletes for that depth that he recognizes the UK doesn't have rather than piss off his gold medal prospects.
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Re: UK's London Olympics medal contenders

Postby Daisy » Fri Jul 22, 2011 8:12 am

7-sided wrote:I would have fired CVC by now.

Agreed, many of his comments really grate. He seems to have the approach that pissing people off will make up their game. Possibly this is true but to air the dirty laundry does not seem to be the way to do it.
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Re: UK's London Olympic medal contenders

Postby GDAWG » Fri Jul 22, 2011 9:43 am

Tiffany Ofili-Porter will not medal in London. She'll probably make it to the finals, but with Kellie Wells, Danielle Carruthers, Dawn Harper, Sally Pearson, Perdita Felicien and the soon to be returning Priscilla Lopes Schliep likely to be in the finals (if all of them make it to the finals or even on their national teams next year, which seems likely) it'll be hard for Ofili-Porter to medal.
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Re: UK's London Olympics medal contenders

Postby mump boy » Fri Jul 22, 2011 10:39 am

26mi235 wrote:
mump boy wrote:GROW UP :roll:


Which one? One is paid to produce, one is paid to manage things. It seems like the one who is supposed to manage things is the one not doing his job.


both of them, who cares they both have better things to worry about than squabbling like teenage girls over who said what in Twitter of all things

Like OMG :roll:
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Re: UK's London Olympic medal contenders

Postby mump boy » Fri Jul 22, 2011 11:21 am

GDAWG wrote:Tiffany Ofili-Porter will not medal in London. She'll probably make it to the finals, but with Kellie Wells, Danielle Carruthers, Dawn Harper, Sally Pearson, Perdita Felicien and the soon to be returning Priscilla Lopes Schliep likely to be in the finals (if all of them make it to the finals or even on their national teams next year, which seems likely) it'll be hard for Ofili-Porter to medal.


is this the same TOP who just ran 12.60 and beat most of the above ? :?
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Re: UK's London Olympic medal contenders

Postby GDAWG » Fri Jul 22, 2011 11:43 am

mump boy wrote:
GDAWG wrote:Tiffany Ofili-Porter will not medal in London. She'll probably make it to the finals, but with Kellie Wells, Danielle Carruthers, Dawn Harper, Sally Pearson, Perdita Felicien and the soon to be returning Priscilla Lopes Schliep likely to be in the finals (if all of them make it to the finals or even on their national teams next year, which seems likely) it'll be hard for Ofili-Porter to medal.


is this the same TOP who just ran 12.60 and beat most of the above ? :?


When did she run a 12:60? If so, that's impressive.

As for Christine O, I think she'll make it to the finals in London in an attempt to defend her gold medal, but I don't think she can beat Montsho for the gold medal, especially with the way that the African has been running this year (I'd expect her to run like that next year too, barring injury). It could be a very competitive race though if O can return to the form that made her a World and Olympic Champion. I think she'll medal, but it probably won't be gold.
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Re: UK's London Olympic medal contenders

Postby mump boy » Fri Jul 22, 2011 11:47 am

GDAWG wrote:
mump boy wrote:
GDAWG wrote:Tiffany Ofili-Porter will not medal in London. She'll probably make it to the finals, but with Kellie Wells, Danielle Carruthers, Dawn Harper, Sally Pearson, Perdita Felicien and the soon to be returning Priscilla Lopes Schliep likely to be in the finals (if all of them make it to the finals or even on their national teams next year, which seems likely) it'll be hard for Ofili-Porter to medal.


is this the same TOP who just ran 12.60 and beat most of the above ? :?


When did she run a 12:60? If so, that's impressive.

As for Christine O, I think she'll make it to the finals in London in an attempt to defend her gold medal, but I don't think she can beat Montsho for the gold medal, especially with the way that the African has been running this year (I'd expect her to run like that next year too, barring injury). It could be a very competitive race though if O can return to the form that made her a World and Olympic Champion. I think she'll medal, but it probably won't be gold.


about 20 mins ago in Monaco

TBO ran 51.49 tonight in Barcelona, NEVER write her off in a month she will be sub 50
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Re: UK's London Olympic medal contenders

Postby GDAWG » Fri Jul 22, 2011 11:54 am

mump boy wrote:
GDAWG wrote:
mump boy wrote:
GDAWG wrote:Tiffany Ofili-Porter will not medal in London. She'll probably make it to the finals, but with Kellie Wells, Danielle Carruthers, Dawn Harper, Sally Pearson, Perdita Felicien and the soon to be returning Priscilla Lopes Schliep likely to be in the finals (if all of them make it to the finals or even on their national teams next year, which seems likely) it'll be hard for Ofili-Porter to medal.


is this the same TOP who just ran 12.60 and beat most of the above ? :?


When did she run a 12:60? If so, that's impressive.

As for Christine O, I think she'll make it to the finals in London in an attempt to defend her gold medal, but I don't think she can beat Montsho for the gold medal, especially with the way that the African has been running this year (I'd expect her to run like that next year too, barring injury). It could be a very competitive race though if O can return to the form that made her a World and Olympic Champion. I think she'll medal, but it probably won't be gold.


about 20 mins ago in Monaco

TBO ran 51.49 tonight in Barcelona, NEVER write her off in a month she will be sub 50


Got to see that tonight. If Ofili Porter can run like that next year she can medal, easily.

I would like to see Chrissy O return to her 2007-2008 form going up against Montsho, who just won again today. That would be a very competitive race. However, except for American Allyson Felix, nobody has been able to beat Montsho. We'll see what happens there.
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Re: UK's London Olympic medal contenders

Postby mump boy » Fri Jul 22, 2011 12:12 pm

Monsho is running too many races for my liking and while she's dominating it's more because everyone else is running poorly rather than her running extremely well

I would love her to win in Daegu but i'm not so sure right now
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Re: UK's London Olympic medal contenders

Postby Flumpy » Sat Jul 23, 2011 8:00 am

I agree. I'd love her to win at the WC's but she seems to have run in every single meet I've watched this year.

Anyway as long as it's not Kapachinskaya I'll be happy with any winner.
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Re: UK's London Olympic medal contenders

Postby 72 » Sun Jul 24, 2011 7:34 am

In a month CO will run sub 50.00
So says the AW cheerleader. Thats one problem solved then. :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Re: UK's London Olympic medal contenders

Postby jjimbojames » Sun Jul 24, 2011 7:45 am

Flumpy wrote:I agree. I'd love her to win at the WC's but she seems to have run in every single meet I've watched this year.

Anyway as long as it's not Kapachinskaya I'll be happy with any winner.

She's only competed seven times - she's only doing the DL races, so is high profile, but not that race-heavy
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Re: UK's London Olympic medal contenders

Postby Flumpy » Sun Jul 24, 2011 8:31 am

Only 7 in total this year?
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Re: UK's London Olympic medal contenders

Postby jjimbojames » Sun Jul 24, 2011 8:33 am

Flumpy wrote:Only 7 in total this year?

Yes - second to last para
http://www.iaaf.org/competitions/dlm/ne ... 60949.html
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Re: UK's London Olympic medal contenders

Postby Flumpy » Sun Jul 24, 2011 9:02 am

WOW!!!

That's so strange as I've heard quite a few people comment on how much she's been running. Must just be that we've managed to see them all.

That makes me :D

I deffo want her to win in Daegu (Assuming TBO won't).
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Re: UK's London Olympic medal contenders

Postby tandfman » Sun Jul 24, 2011 10:13 am

jjimbojames wrote:
Flumpy wrote:Only 7 in total this year?

Yes - second to last para
http://www.iaaf.org/competitions/dlm/ne ... 60949.html

She may have said it, but it's not quite right. She's competed at 400m seven times, but she's also run 200m twice.
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Re: UK's London Olympic medal contenders

Postby 72 » Sun Jul 24, 2011 11:17 pm

We now read from AW fans in the UK who,sadly, have a touch of the sun, about our possible 12 plus medals in London 2012 and our rising standards in the UK .

What standards? ... oh I see, we have a 100% increase in our women pole vaulters this year who have jumped 4.60m, 2 in lieu of 1; we have 1 world class short hurdler , but half a dozen 400m hurdlers under 50 secs...break open the champers.!
We have drop off in standards in the sprints,400m,800m this year,1500m definitely...Baddeley and Lancashire ??; one great 5K/10K runner,Farah, and appalling general standards in those events.High Jumpers are worse than the last 2 years; our lonely Pole Vaulter is utterly inconsistent and the standards are no better than last year from Cutts and Eaves; oops, our Discus has improved...break open the champers again.! Our javelin standard???Our shot improving?? Our Triple Jump athletes were better than this year... must not forget the injuries,old chap. 3K worse than ever!!!



One could show the drop off or at least "going nowhere" standard in the womens events right across the board, but too much typing.

Brainwashed, so called optimism is the order of the day, otherwise Jon decides that AW dont need a touch of reality and certainly not Facts.

The great Cheerleader, mump, tells us of great things in a handful of events, and conveniently forgets poor, stationary or deteriorating standards in over 30 events....
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Re: UK's London Olympic medal contenders

Postby mump boy » Mon Jul 25, 2011 12:54 am

I haven't forgotten anything, we're crap at loads of events but that doesn't mean we have to stop celebrating those that we're improving in :?

i don't have this strange notion that if we a god given right to have world beaters in every event :? We never have, no matter the nostalgic, rose tinted glasses you insist on wearing
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Re: UK's London Olympic medal contenders

Postby mump boy » Mon Jul 25, 2011 1:21 am

there are certainly 12 or more medal 'chances' in Daegu and London

Mo x2
Dai
Chris or Greg
Phillips
Relays x2

TBO
Jenny
a 1500 girl
Tiffany
Holly
Jess
4x4 (on a very good day)
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Re: UK's London Olympic medal contenders

Postby 26mi235 » Mon Jul 25, 2011 8:09 am

Winning medals requires more than just good people. Having the likes of Badderly go back rather than forward did not affect the odds much (expected value of medals from him was maybe 0.1 or less) but Mo has gone from a possible contender to and expected value that might be greater than 1 (since he has two events with good prospects). The w1500 has seen a big decline in the number of 3:5x times and so remains a possibility, but the gals have been not moving into the 'breach'.
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Re: UK's London Olympic medal contenders

Postby Powell » Tue Jul 26, 2011 1:55 am

72, could you please say what level of performance would you expect from British T&F team and be satisfied by? From my perspective, it looks like the UK is doing just fine versus other comparable European countries.
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Re: UK's London Olympic medal contenders

Postby 72 » Tue Jul 26, 2011 6:23 am

Serious medal chances:

Farah 5K and a poss of medal if he runs the 10K assuming he doubles, in that steam heat of Daegu

Idowu
Ennis
Greene

outside medal chance
Tomlinson or Rutherford
Totally off the wall.... Bleasdale, but its probably a little unfair to expect a medal as she is inexperienced at the WC level.

As far as Relays are concerned , I don't think we have any chances in the womens relays.No evidence this year to justify such expectations.

If our 4x100m guys get it round OK, I see no better than 4th Our sprinters are indifferent this year anyway, but Jamaica,USA, and a Caribbean country for me.

In the 4x400m men I see USA,Jamaica, and either Belgium, Trinidad or Bahamas. Our best 400m guy has not done better this year so far than 45.4 and a some middling 45s.

Turner a possible/probable finalist; I do not think that the 800m will gain us a medal with Meadows; the top 20 800m women this year have some formidable finishers, and she is not for me a Medal contender. Tiffany Ofili Porter for a finalist place.
There are always a few surprises for finalists, so we may have a 1500m woman.
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Re: UK's London Olympic medal contenders

Postby 26mi235 » Tue Jul 26, 2011 7:34 am

72 wrote:Farah 5K and a poss of medal if he runs the 10K assuming he doubles, in that steam heat of Daegu


The WCs are at the end of August and beginning of September for a reason, to diminish the heat. It is three weeks later than when the Olympics began in Beijing, which can be a crucial difference, and Beijing was not quite the problem people anticipated (e.g. destroying the Olympic record in the marathon). By the time that they run the 10,000 the temperature will have dropped from its peak, and at that time of year the peak is only just above 30C and the dew point is just below 20C and the lower the dew point the faster it will cool off. Warm and humid, probably but steamy, not so likely.
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