Plastic Brits are cashing in... but there's no Lottery money for the likes of Kelly 17th October 2011 Five athletes dubbed ‘plastic Brits’ by their critics will have their Olympic campaigns funded by the National Lottery while British-born contenders have been dropped 10 months from the Games... Sentiment does not come into it for van Commenee. He coached Sotherton to her 2004 Olympic heptathlon bronze but told Radio 5 Live: ‘Personal feelings are not relevant. The main criterion needed is that they have a strong chance to make the top eight in the Olympic Games, and given the development of Kelly’s performances in the last couple of years it doesn’t appear she can.’
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There have been many controversial cases going either way in the making of the final funding lists for the Olympic season but Kelly Sotherton had unfortunately a very thin case to lay any claim on. I think it would have been a surprise if she had stayed on for one more season since she didn't make the world champs squad nor obtained any qualifying standard on the way.
The most striking cases of those overlooked were maybe the likes of Jemma Simpson, Martyn Bernard, Louise Hazell, Helen Clitheroe, Charlene Thomas and Barbara Parker while I cannot grasp this latest 'wrath' on the high jumpers, or even the male milers in the second place.
Further, several athletes named in the top tier would have better fitted into the relay group (Pickering, Strachan, Levine) so that there would have been more open places for athletes with more medal or top eight potential about them - the above mentioned plus Lawrence Okoye (only Development tier) or Jo Pavey.
Tiffany Porter has got an English mother, Shana Cox has British parents, Yamile Aldama is married to a Scot for ten years now and Shara Proctor comes from a country that is a British dependent territory, so all qualify well and have got far more grounds to merit a share in funding.
Why do people even vaguely "listen" to stories in the Daily Mail (or the Daily Fail as I prefer to call it)? That article is not even borderline racist. It's out and out xenophobia! There is no way Sotherton deserves funding this year (and she more or less agrees with that if you read her Tweets...) and the likes of Porter etc are proving to be absolutely world class and potential medallists/champions for 2012 and beyond. It's a "Look at our poor Brits who have served this country well"...pathetic!
Remember that great "British" runner Malachi Davis, another funded athlete from the States who was "British" cos his mother was. Born in the USA and never came here until the Trials for the 2004 Olympics, so I read ;got his passport as a British athlete a few weeks before the event and announced by UKA as another of our "British" surprise competitors; I wonder where he is and how often he comes here. So many naive twerps in the UK who cannot see naked financial and competitive oportunism by both the athletes in question and our beloved "medal mad" UKA; quite legal of course, but absolutely no moral different from the Quataris and Bahrainis of this world buying 'em in with their oil money. They have Brit citizenship...wowee!!!!! The athletes referred to are so pleased to represent UK ... I wonder which of our so called Brits would be getting the financial, medical,travelling support in the their own countries assuming that they actually know which they are/were.will be.
Perhaps we could entertain the idea of athletes entering great competitions only as individuals with no nationality connections.
BTW,The Daily Mail is more relevant to peoples real views and concerns, despite its nationalistic viewpoint, than the so called "progressive" BBC / Grauniad/Mirror rubbish;
shivfan wrote:Of course, it adds fuel to the Daily Mail diatribes when athletes such as Ofili tweet on July 4 that she wishes she was back in the US on that day, but adds that she's there in spirit....
Why? It's a day of celebration that anyone living in that country buys into because of the sheer scale of it - and just because there isn't really a day to celebrate being British in the UK isn't a reason for Tiff O-P to not celebrate the day members of her family and friends will be celebrating. A few friends of mine studied in the USA on soccer scholarships having been born and bred in the UK until they were 18. Even now, they wish they were in the US with their university friends on that date, despite only living there for four years of their 30+, as their US friends are enjoying the day - it doesn't make them any less British
If the Daily Mail can't see that, they (and their readers) need to expand their horizons somewhat
I totally agree on the concept and background of 4 July celebrations, I would like to experience it myself once, and your comments on Daily Mail and their pathetic 'campaign' against certain athletes that have switched allegiance to Britain, JimBo.
After all, Tiffany has lived her whole life in the States so has got every right to feel that way and express her feelings on the day.
But Daily Mail and their like will overlook her comments when she steps up to compete for Britain as it suits them the other way round.
Hmmmm. Michael Johnson's usually right. But the British media spotlight has just turned on to Britain's athletes in all sports, who are featuring heavily in sponsor's ad campaigns right now. It's going to take some serious PR management on behalf of the BOA and the various sports' governing bodies to give athletes the chance to relax.
Cram - One gold needed November 18, 2011 "So I think it is going to be a really good Games for athletics and I hope at least one of the guys can convert it into a gold medal. We do want to win at least one gold medal but with a bit of luck and a fair wind it could be two or three, if not more." What Brits have shot at gold? • Jess Ennis • Mo Farah • Dai Greene
real rational, objective stuff from the British experts I suppose that there are a few great athletes from elsewhere who may get in the way of the 5/6 Gold Medals mentioned??
Surprise package .. what pray does that mean.... that they medal or make final or what?
The special trick of the AW flaggies is to state that all Brits may do better than we have a right to expect from a cool examination of their current levels of performance, on the basis that they can crow/brag if one comes through. Known as the art of "Isabring".
I could just as well state that every athlete in the British team next year will do a PB and amaze us all on the basis that one at least will do so and then I can ignore all the underperformances and brag about how knowledgeable I am, like at least one well known fan
Greene questions desire of some GB athletes November 23, 2011 "The 25-year-old [Dai Greene] believes some athletes have underachieved in their disciplines, either because they just don't set their sights high enough or because they crumble in the face of pressure and expectation."
bushop wrote:Greene questions desire of some GB athletes November 23, 2011 "The 25-year-old [Dai Greene] believes some athletes have underachieved in their disciplines, either because they just don't set their sights high enough or because they crumble in the face of pressure and expectation."
Interesting thoughts from him also on the affect of getting too much funding too soon and the unfairness of relay squad members receiving full funding.
It may be coincidence but the three athletes who have surprised me most since the last Olympics have been Jenny Meadows, Helen Clitheroe and Andy Turner. All, at various points, came off funding and yet seemed to become hungrier than ever.
Cram Says Funding System Will Bring Brits Glory 24 November 2011 "The talented athletes have always been there. The funding helps to keep them in the sport, to get them into the right events, to identify the talent. We have the best high-performance system in the world, on a pro-rata basis."
Talking of London contenders, first selections on the team are due next Monday with the marathon panel meeting for the first of two times. Paula Radcliffe appears set to be named, as I gather Scott Overall should on the men's side.
Andrew Lemoncello runs in Yokohama and he could snatch a spot himself just on the eve of the meeting, putting in an encouraging late run in Portsmouth
From there on, there is a number of options for CVC to take. Here are some throughts of what could happen on the women's side which is more competitive for places at the moment.
26mi235 wrote:What about those plastic Swedes, those hurdlers; they are no more Swedish than Ofili is British...
I hope you're speaking of Ludmila Enqvist, coz if you mean the Kallurs, then what you wrote makes no sense at all.
A bit of sarcasm. However, the difference might not really be all that big, even if the cases feel rather different. From what I remember (and the memory is vague), they may have been born in the US and spent a lot of time here. You likely remember/know a lot more of the particulars.
The Kallur women are dual nationality cos daddy was playing ice hockey in the USA at the time they were born.They went to school and college in the States but they are not similar cases to certain "British" athletes like our short hurdler who competed for USA at Junior level, I believe, and our new Triple Jumper, who represented Cuba, Sudan and now UK.
72 wrote:The Kallur women are dual nationality cos daddy was playing ice hockey in the USA at the time they were born.They went to school and college in the States
I believe they only lived in the US for the first few years of their lives, until their father retired from the NHL. They started their running careers in Sweden, and have been training there pretty much ever since, except for a brief stint in the NCAA (AFAIR they only spent one year in college in the US). Questioning their Swedishness is utter nonsense.
I've just read Gerard Hartman's excellent autobiography. As most of you will know he has been the physio to Radcliffe, Holmes, O'Sullivan, Kiptanui .. .. .. . the list goes on and on. It's an inspiring book which leaves you feeling that with perseverance and belief in yourself anything is possible. Really uplifting. He writes a lot about his relationship with Paula (he worked with her 25-30 hours a week during her training camp prior to London 2003). In the context of so much positivity however, his comment on her chances for next year seemed really bleak: " She will need belief beyond belief to succeed and plenty of luck." Perfectly realistic of course, but as a Paula fan I was hoping for more cause for optimism!
Disappointed that she didn't have a bash at the Euro XC but the 10k win at the weekend was encouraging.
Charles van Commenee: Van the man guiding home nation's hopes "Since Beijing, Farah, Greene, Ennis and Idowu have [won] titles at the last two Worlds. Van Commenee's concern is that not enough fringe contenders have graduated to medal-winning status... Van Commenee is too pragmatic a soul to rely on the Wilkins Micawber principle of something turning up. From his own experience as a one-to-one coach, however, he knows that Olympic medals can emerge from the most unlikely sources.
Rob Grabarz has got off to a sound start this season as he cleared a world indoor qualifier of 2.29m, doubling as a total PB, in the high jump from the off at the High Jump Gala at the HiPAC in Birmingham today. He also had a narrow miss at what would have been an Olympic A qualifier at 2.31m (you can see it in a short video on the link below).