The retirement thread


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Postby Powell » Mon Sep 01, 2008 7:20 am

polevaultpower wrote:Lots of US pole vaulters retiring.

Jillian Schwartz - getting married
Mary (Sauer) Vincent - already married
Tracy O'Hara - already married
Stacy Dragila - getting married
Kate (Soma) Conwell (at least retiring from serious training and competition, she'll probably still jump for fun from a shorter run)
Erin Asay - getting married and going to nursing school


Why is it that for female US vaulters getting married seems to automatically imply retirement?
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Postby Matt » Mon Sep 01, 2008 7:56 am

Is Ottey likely to throw in the towel after failing to make the Beijing qualifier?
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Postby polevaultpower » Mon Sep 01, 2008 8:11 am

Powell wrote:
polevaultpower wrote:Lots of US pole vaulters retiring.

Jillian Schwartz - getting married
Mary (Sauer) Vincent - already married
Tracy O'Hara - already married
Stacy Dragila - getting married
Kate (Soma) Conwell (at least retiring from serious training and competition, she'll probably still jump for fun from a shorter run)
Erin Asay - getting married and going to nursing school


Why is it that for female US vaulters getting married seems to automatically imply retirement?


April Steiner-Bennett got married this year and is planning to compete through 2012. Erica Bartolina is married.

Most of the girls that are retiring have been competing a long time and are ready to start a family and/or move on with their lives. Erin is young but she is really fired up about nursing school.
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Postby bambam1729 » Mon Sep 01, 2008 8:15 am

eldrick wrote:there are far too many cases where winning gold doesn't mean you were best in the world at the time


Volker Beck in 1980
Juha Tiainen in 1984
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Postby tandfman » Mon Sep 01, 2008 9:49 am

polevaultpower wrote:April Steiner-Bennett got married this year and is planning to compete through 2012. Erica Bartolina is married.

And of course Stacy Dragila was married during much of her professional career.
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Postby Mellow Johnny » Mon Sep 01, 2008 10:10 am

eldrick wrote:
Mellow Johnny wrote:Disagree...winning Olympic Gold, on the sport's biggest stage under the ultimate amount of pressure makes you a great champion (unless you used PEDs to do it)....for that one race, moment, etc. you can say you were the best in the world.


not if you were boycotted out

- skeets, moses, rono, american sprinters, etc in '80

or if you were injured/underperformed at trials but then were in fantastic shape at time of games

- kiptanui in '92 couda strolled to both 3ksc & 5k golds

- komen in '96 wouda crushed the field in same possible manner kennster won 5k here

- kipketer kept out in '96 because of nationality change issues

there are far too many cases where winning gold doesn't mean you were best in the world at the time


I see what you're saying and considered that as well. However, I would guess (and hope) that no athlete wins a golds and immediately thinks "well, since so and so wasn't here, that's why I won"- there are so many "what if's" out there and we generally regard an Olympic Gold as representing the best at the moment even if there are athletes injured, dealing with citizenship issues, etc.

For example, my thought is that Kipruto is the best steepler in the world at the moment even though we know Shaheen is on the shelf , Koech is the fastest in the world this year, and Kipruto probably isn't saying "really I'm not the best but I'll take this gold anyway."

Part of the Olympics is simply getting there- qualifying in your country's Trials or whatever they use, being injury- and illness-free, in this day and age, not being barred due to citizenship issues- and then making it through qualifying rounds and winning the final.

Maybe I see the Olympics with too much nostalgia and if that's the case, so be it.
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Postby eldrick » Mon Sep 01, 2008 10:21 am

Mellow Johnny wrote:I see what you're saying and considered that as well. However, I would guess (and hope) that no athlete wins a golds and immediately thinks "well, since so and so wasn't here, that's why I won"- there are so many "what if's" out there and we generally regard an Olympic Gold as representing the best at the moment even if there are athletes injured, dealing with citizenship issues, etc


the winner won't think of anything but they've got the gold

however, we're the hardcore fans & it is our job to put any win into perspective if the best weren't there for whatever reason ( & i include injuries/illness at trials, as some other countries have pre-selection & therefore their athletes don't have a hard qualifier to get thru in june or july )

woud any fan honestly believe munkelt or beck were the best guys over 110h/400h back in their gold-medal winning day in '80 ?

even if skeets/moses had ran naked out of the bath to get to the start line, they still wouda won, dripping wet & naked !
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Postby Mellow Johnny » Mon Sep 01, 2008 10:29 am

eldrick wrote:
woud any fan honestly believe munkelt or beck were the best guys over 110h/400h back in their gold-medal winning day in '80 ?

even if skeets/moses had ran naked out of the bath to get to the start line, they still wouda won, dripping wet & naked !


Good point. Since I was 4 at the time, I certainly don't have the "boycott" games of '76 and '80 and even '84 in the front of my mind as OG where several top athletes weren't there. The ones I remember well were certainly ones where it was the case of a few athletes at most who weren't there due to injury, citizenship, etc.
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Postby nevetsllim » Mon Sep 01, 2008 11:31 am

Sounds as though Reiko Tosa is retiring :cry:

http://japanrunningnews.blogspot.com/20 ... etire.html
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Postby croflash » Thu Sep 04, 2008 9:10 am

Update on Bungei:

That’s one team Bungei said he most likely won’t be captaining. While he has no intentions of leaving the sport, championship meets are now behind him, he said.

“Concerning the Kenyan trials that we have to do, there’s always a lot of mental torture,” he said, “and I think it’s just going to be a little too difficult. But that is always subject to change. A lot will depend on how I feel before the World championships.”

While Wilson Kipketer’s World record may be out of reach – “Wilson was a great athlete,” Bungei said, “and running 1:41.11 is going to be tough - he still believes that he can work his way up another notch or two on the all-time list.

“My goal next year is to try for the African record,” Sammy Koskei’s 1:42.28 which a few weeks ago celebrated it’s 24th Anniversary. Bungei came close in Rieti in 2002, clocking 1:42.34.

“I missed it by just .05 seconds. And I know I can still achieve it now. That will really be my main focus.”


http://www.iaaf.org/GLE08/news/newsid=47486.html
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Postby eldrick » Thu Sep 04, 2008 9:17 am

much as i luv the bungster, i can't see him ever breaking 1'43 again ( unless of course the confidence of winning gold makes him train unbelievably hard next winter )
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Postby eldrick » Thu Sep 04, 2008 9:26 am

he hasn't broken 1'43 in 5y

http://www.iaaf.org/athletes/biographie ... index.html

( then again borza hadn't done so in 7y until this year, so it coud happen, but unlikely )
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Postby nevetsllim » Mon Sep 08, 2008 9:26 am

Apparently Mike East has retired.
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Postby eldrick » Mon Sep 08, 2008 9:35 am

laban rotich will be celebrating :D

the mugging east gave him in that indoor race shouda involved the police !
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Postby tandfman » Tue Sep 09, 2008 12:04 am

Nobuharu Asahara, the Japanese sprinter, has announced his retirement after this season.
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Postby Jaack » Tue Sep 09, 2008 6:12 am

tandfman wrote:Nobuharu Asahara, the Japanese sprinter, has announced his retirement after this season.
With an olympic medal in his pocket. He was a consistent 10.1 guy for pretty much a decade. Nice, long, consistent career :)

I still remember he *Just missed the final of the 100m back in Atlanta.

Asahara was actually a neat long jumper too, world finalist back in 1995 and had a PR from 1993 of 8.13. I think it's a shame he ditched that event from his program so young- (injury).

He's now 36.
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Postby croflash » Sun Sep 14, 2008 11:19 am

Kirsten Bolm

She said she doesn't have the motivation anymore after so many injury problems.
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Postby nevetsllim » Sun Sep 14, 2008 11:46 am

:( I quite liked Bolm. I guess if she can't get motivated for the world champs next year, she'll never be motivated again for any champs.

Really hope Franka won't be on that list.
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Postby Sinafan » Sun Sep 14, 2008 1:40 pm

nevetsllim wrote::( I quite liked Bolm. I guess if she can't get motivated for the world champs next year, she'll never be motivated again for any champs.

After all Bolm wanted to give up before her two golden years in 2005/06 (WC 4th, EC silver) because of her injury problems. She would have needed a surgery again and who knows if she would have been fit enough in Berlin let alone being in top shape?
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Postby sprintblox » Sun Sep 14, 2008 5:32 pm

I have to shed a tear of joy for Kim Gevaert. What a beautiful way to polish off such a hardworking career. She couldn't have picked a better time to retire. Her first Olympic medal (in a national record time to boot) and a 1st place in her last race on the circuit. I hope she got a big hero's welcome back in Belgium.
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Postby sprintblox » Sun Sep 14, 2008 6:46 pm

Remember how 15 years ago, if a track athlete was still competing at 30 they'd be a rarity and people would think they're way past their prime and should have quit long ago?

When Quarrie ran the relay for Jamaica at 34 people were saying how he was so oooold and couldn't believe he was still competing. Now athletes in their 30s are routinely making finals and sometimes winning medals, and we're often expecting them to go on for a few more years, and getting disappointed if they retire before 36.
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Postby Per Andersen » Sun Sep 14, 2008 8:45 pm

Diego Sahagún wrote:Holm retires :( I think he could have followed 2 more years. Stay Stefan :!:

http://www.thelocal.se/14318/20080914/

2.33 could have been his last jump:

http://www.iaaf.org/waf08/results/event ... _HJ_hash_f

As always he knows what he is doing. This is the first year he mentioned that he felt old. I think early in the year he was considering hanging in for 2009 but during this season there were pain issues. The achilles tendon bothered him pretty much throughout the season.
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Postby 26mi235 » Sun Sep 14, 2008 9:34 pm

Will Holm do cameos in the dual meet with Finland?
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Postby tandfman » Sat Sep 20, 2008 6:33 am

Jefferson Perez's last race will be tomorrow.

http://www.iaaf.org/WRC08/news/kind=100 ... 47777.html
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Postby croflash » Sat Sep 20, 2008 7:55 am

Shanghai was apparently Olga Komyagina's last race.
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Postby nevetsllim » Sat Sep 20, 2008 7:59 am

croflash wrote:Shanghai was apparently Olga Komyagina's last race.


NOOOOOO! :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry:

This sucks :cry:
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Postby croflash » Thu Sep 25, 2008 1:17 am

Jeff Hartwig had his farewell competition in front of 5.000 spectators in Aachen yesterday.

http://www.leichtathletik.de/index.php? ... wsID=19361 (German)
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Postby doug091463 » Thu Sep 25, 2008 2:17 am

nevetsllim wrote:
croflash wrote:Shanghai was apparently Olga Komyagina's last race.


NOOOOOO! :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry:

This sucks :cry:


who does defar get to pace her now?
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Postby croflash » Sat Sep 27, 2008 4:23 am

Rens Blom ... the injury problems killed his career.
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Postby gh » Sat Sep 27, 2008 6:21 am

Rens Blom is now going to pace Defar?! :-)
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Postby Jaack » Sat Sep 27, 2008 8:51 am

gh wrote:Rens Blom is now going to pace Defar?! :-)
This is in jest I know, but I have long thought male pacemakers for women should be considered. I mean, why not? Think about the kind of time Defar/Dibaba could run if one of their male counterparts dragged them around with accurate splits!? I don't see why there should be a rule against it, simply based on sex!
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Postby imaginative » Sat Sep 27, 2008 10:10 am

Jaack wrote:
gh wrote:Rens Blom is now going to pace Defar?! :-)
This is in jest I know, but I have long thought male pacemakers for women should be considered. I mean, why not? Think about the kind of time Defar/Dibaba could run if one of their male counterparts dragged them around with accurate splits!? I don't see why there should be a rule against it, simply based on sex!


I fear that this could lead to a slippery-slope ending in travesty of
the sport. (Note: ``could'', not ``would''.) In a next step, the claim
is natural that women have an advantage over men. This might then be
compensated for by adding some kind of mechanical pace-maker for men,
which would obviously also be used by women. The pace-maker would have
drafting advantages, and increasingly newer pace-makers with more beneficial
properties escalate into an equivalent of e.g. the bench-press west.

Let us not slip away further than we already have by allowing pace
making in the first place. (That decision could be justified by the
fact that pace making can occur naturally and unintentionally.
Possibly also the problems with proving deliberate cheating, had it
been illegal.)
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Postby tandfman » Sat Sep 27, 2008 10:25 am

imaginative wrote:Possibly also the problems with proving deliberate cheating, had it been illegal.)

Had it been illegal? It was illegal, and the difficulty of enforcing the rule was one of the reasons they changed it.
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Postby imaginative » Sat Sep 27, 2008 10:47 am

tandfman wrote:
imaginative wrote:Possibly also the problems with proving deliberate cheating, had it been illegal.)

Had it been illegal? It was illegal, and the difficulty of enforcing the rule was one of the reasons they changed it.


You see: I am right. Just a too young to remember anything but the
endless rabbited races of the nineties ;-)
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Postby jumpsman » Sat Sep 27, 2008 11:34 am

sandra glover comes to mind.
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Postby tandfman » Sat Sep 27, 2008 12:08 pm

I think she retired after the 2007 season. She didn't run at all this year.
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Postby imaginative » Sun Sep 28, 2008 2:16 am

EPelle wrote:Christian Olsson may be on that list; he has some very serious consideration to give his immediate future.


According to (in Swedish)
http://www.dn.se/DNet/jsp/polopoly.jsp?d=672&a=833453
Christian Olsson has resumed training. The level is currently not what
is required for a world-class athlete, nor has a decision about future
competitions been made; however, we may have a light at the end of the
tunnel.
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Re: The retirement thread

Postby tandfman » Sun Sep 28, 2008 6:44 am


Article now on home page says he'll continue running on the GP circuit.
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Postby Pentathlete 2 » Sun Sep 28, 2008 8:07 pm

Devers???
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Postby Daisy » Sun Sep 28, 2008 9:52 pm

imaginative wrote:
tandfman wrote:It was illegal, and the difficulty of enforcing the rule was one of the reasons they changed it.


You see: I am right. Just a too young to remember anything but the
endless rabbited races of the nineties ;-)


I am actually surprised they have not developed tracks with a rabbit-like device on the inside (possibly lights that light up in series reflecting the desired pace) that could be set to a desired pace. Then there would be no drafting issues, or is drafting the reason they want pace makers, not for the actual pace?
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