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Postby DrJay » Thu Dec 08, 2005 8:01 am

SQUACKEE wrote:what a great question! where is nut?


400h-47.8 aqui boa sp?



Maybe "aqui" was the name of Janis Joplin's feather boa.
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Postby SQUACKEE » Thu Dec 08, 2005 8:20 am

DrJay wrote:
SQUACKEE wrote:what a great question! where is nut?


400h-47.8 aqui boa sp?



Maybe "aqui" was the name of Janis Joplin's feather boa.


someone who doesnt even have enough respect for an x-world record holder to look up his name for correct spelling deserves worse than this! come on!!

and by the way janis's boa was named fred.
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Postby kuha » Thu Dec 08, 2005 9:13 am

I used to keep a top-10 list of my PBS ("Personal Bests Seen")--talk about nerdly! I've let it lapse in recent years. The following is incomplete, but is what I can remember right now:

Men
100: 9.87 (and 9.78w)
400: 43.68
800: 1:41.24 (and 1:42.20, 1:42.47, 1:42.55, etc.)
1500: 3:26.12 (and 3:26.45, 3:26.89, 3:27.21, etc.)
mile: 3:45.19 (I think I've got the 100ths correct)
3000: 7:25.16 (and 7:25.54, 7:26.02, etc.)
Steeple: 7:55.28 (and "7:53.17", 7:58.50, 7:58.98, 7:59.08, 7:59.18, etc.)
5000: 12:39.74 (and 12:41.86, 12:44.39, etc.)
10,000: 26:27.85 (and 26:52.23)

Women:
100: 10.49 (or "10.49"?)
200: 21.66
400: 48.92
800: 1:55.19
mile: 4:12.56
3000: 8:21.64 (at the time, an unacknowledged WR)

This was mine, with one addition, posted above (for some reason) under "Guest." I only saw one big meet in '05 and it was wet & windy, so only one to add for '05...
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Postby bad hammy » Thu Dec 08, 2005 9:21 am

What is wrong with me? (Or, alternatively, what is wrong with the rest of you?!?!?) I've never tried to keep track of any of the marks I've seen. I guess I could go back through the list of meets I've been to and try to track down marks, but I think I'll pass.

That said, I do remember one or two. I'm guessing I saw the same 9.78w that kuha did - Mo Green at the 2003 Payton Jordan meet at Stanford.
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Postby kuha » Thu Dec 08, 2005 9:30 am

"I've never tried to keep track of any of the marks I've seen."

I'm shocked, stunned, and gravely disappointed. I know that there are therapies and support groups for this kind of malady. :shock: :arrow: :D

Re: the 9.78w, I was thinking of Lewis at the '88 Oly Trials...I hope I have the time right...
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Postby bad hammy » Thu Dec 08, 2005 9:43 am

kuha wrote:"I've never tried to keep track of any of the marks I've seen."

I'm shocked, stunned, and gravely disappointed. I know that there are therapies and support groups for this kind of malady. :shock: :arrow: :D

Re: the 9.78w, I was thinking of Lewis at the '88 Oly Trials...I hope I have the time right...

If I end up in therapy, there are plenty of things for me to get worked out before we get to this issue. :D

My guess was based on - how many 9.78w races could there be? I guess the answer is at least two.
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Postby SQUACKEE » Thu Dec 08, 2005 10:10 am

hey everybody, what about best highschool marks you witnessed.

4:05 mile
1:48 1/2 mile
8:55 2 mile
195 ft discus
whatever dwight stones jumped to win calif. state meet
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Postby kuha » Thu Dec 08, 2005 10:32 am

My memory is fuzzy, but I believe that the fastest HS mile and 2 mile races I've ever seen were within an hour of each other and by the same athlete: Craig Virgin in 1973: 4:08.5 and 8:48.6. I remember how exciting it was to see a 4:10.8 mile in the 1970 Connecticut HS championships (by Jim Euell, on a very loose track).
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Postby bad hammy » Thu Dec 08, 2005 10:42 am

kuha wrote:Craig Virgin in 1973: 4:08.5 and 8:48.6.

Second best one-day schoolboy double ever, behind Rich Kimball's 1974 CA State Meet 8.46.6 and 4:06.6, run within about 70 minutes of each other. (Which I did not see.)
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Postby gm » Thu Dec 08, 2005 10:44 am

Men
9.82
19.66
43.44
1:42.80
3:28.37
13:03.47
27:07.55
8:00.67
12.92
47.03
37.40
2:54.29
2.40
6.02
8.63
17.86
22.54
69.72
83.38
92.80/new
8902

wonder how all of ours would look if we eliminated Worlds/OG/GP meets :)
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Postby kuha » Thu Dec 08, 2005 11:16 am

"wonder how all of ours would look if we eliminated Worlds/OG/GP meets"

In other words, you're asking: "I wonder how all of ours would look if we never went to any good meets?"

Answer: Pretty pathetic.
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Postby gh » Thu Dec 08, 2005 11:29 am

SQUACKEE wrote:hey everybody, what about best highschool marks you witnessed.

4:05 mile
1:48 1/2 mile
8:55 2 mile
195 ft discus
whatever dwight stones jumped to win calif. state meet


I've got a stat-nutty friend (who doesn't post here) who keeps an ongoing list of the 50 fastest high school miles he has ever seen.
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Postby gm » Thu Dec 08, 2005 12:20 pm

kuha wrote:"wonder how all of ours would look if we eliminated Worlds/OG/GP meets"

In other words, you're asking: "I wonder how all of ours would look if we never went to any good meets?"

Answer: Pretty pathetic.


Not necessarily! You still have the Euros, Pan Ams, etc., along with a host of non-GP meets with plenty of great marks.
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Postby kuha » Thu Dec 08, 2005 12:33 pm

"Not necessarily! You still have the Euros, Pan Ams, etc., along with a host of non-GP meets with plenty of great marks."

"Plenty of great marks"??? I'd suggest that a look at the all-time list would not really support this view. How many top marks have we seen in the last few Pan-Am Games, for example? In fact, how does the entire history of the Pan-Ams match up to, say, any two Zurich meets from the last dozen years?
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Postby gm » Thu Dec 08, 2005 6:59 pm

Being as how many, if not most, of the people who read this board will never be able to attend one of those nifty European GP meets, it seems interesting to me who has seen the best "non" marks.

Hell, with enough cash anyone can go to Zurich and see a bunch of superior marks every year. I'm always more impressed by that "Wow!" performance that comes in an unexpected place.
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Postby DentyCracker » Thu Dec 08, 2005 7:49 pm

Men
9.86 Powell
20.31 Bolt
44.27 Pettigrew
1.45.74 Watson or Morgan
13.48 Wignall
8.29 Beckford
17.xx Beckford
2.30 Hemingway

Women
10.96 V.Campbell
22.17 V.Campbell
50.11 J. Campbell
12.50 Devers
6.86 Golding
14.74 Smith
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Postby kuha » Fri Dec 09, 2005 5:59 am

"Hell, with enough cash anyone can go to Zurich and see a bunch of superior marks every year. I'm always more impressed by that "Wow!" performance that comes in an unexpected place."

I humbly admit that you are completely correct. What is the point in making any effort to see superior marks? Why bother going to Europe to see good meets? All it takes is money, after all! Where's the challenge in that? The best idea: stay in one place, keep your head in the sand, and let the great performances come to YOU. Yeah! That's the ticket!!
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Postby gm » Fri Dec 09, 2005 6:40 am

kuha wrote:"Hell, with enough cash anyone can go to Zurich and see a bunch of superior marks every year. I'm always more impressed by that "Wow!" performance that comes in an unexpected place."

I humbly admit that you are completely correct. What is the point in making any effort to see superior marks? Why bother going to Europe to see good meets? All it takes is money, after all! Where's the challenge in that? The best idea: stay in one place, keep your head in the sand, and let the great performances come to YOU. Yeah! That's the ticket!!


Hey, to each his own, I say. You keep your snobby, elitist, money-fueled list and I'll stick with my "everyman" list :lol: Glad to know you are wealthy enough to make all the big meets.

That does bring up a good question for the masses (using that term loosely) who populate this board -- how many of you have ever been to a Golden League meet?
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Postby kuha » Fri Dec 09, 2005 7:05 am

No, I honestly don't think it's a matter of being snobby or elitist. If you are really interested in art, then with some regularity you take the time and effort to go to the world's great museums. If you are really interested in music, then with some regularity you take the time and effort to hear the best musicians. If you are really interested in high level track and field, then with some regularity you take the time and effort to see the best performers in the best meets. That's about it...
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Postby Jon » Fri Dec 09, 2005 8:01 am

gm wrote:how many of you have ever been to a Golden League meet?


Yup, Rome 2004.
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Postby mojo » Fri Dec 09, 2005 8:13 am

Jon wrote:
gm wrote:how many of you have ever been to a Golden League meet?


Yup, Rome 2004.


Another elitist checks in. :twisted: :twisted:











:wink:

I wanna be an elitist! :cry:
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Postby marknhj » Fri Dec 09, 2005 9:09 am

Had to do some research but here are the mens I can positively identify:

9.86
19.80
43.66
13.00.41
12.97
47.24
2.36m
8.66m
17.78m
22.52m
8847
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Postby Oldtimer » Fri Dec 09, 2005 9:22 am

quote="Jon"]
gm wrote:how many of you have ever been to a Golden League meet?


Elitist here...
30+ for me, including when it was just the Golden 4.
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Postby mike renfro » Fri Dec 09, 2005 3:42 pm

[/quote]- how many of you have ever been to a Golden League meet?[/quote]

Not I. I attended Zurich Weltklasse in '81 & '87, but that was WAY prior to GL..
I would like to do a vacation in Belgium/Netherlands wrapped around Van Damme.
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Postby SQUACKEE » Fri Dec 09, 2005 5:11 pm

gm wrote:
kuha wrote:"Hell, with enough cash anyone can go to Zurich and see a bunch of superior marks every year. I'm always more impressed by that "Wow!" performance that comes in an unexpected place."

I humbly admit that you are completely correct. What is the point in making any effort to see superior marks? Why bother going to Europe to see good meets? All it takes is money, after all! Where's the challenge in that? The best idea: stay in one place, keep your head in the sand, and let the great performances come to YOU. Yeah! That's the ticket!!


Hey, to each his own, I say. You keep your snobby, elitist, money-fueled list and I'll stick with my "everyman" list :lol: Glad to know you are wealthy enough to make all the big meets.

That does bring up a good question for the masses (using that term loosely) who populate this board -- how many of you have ever been to a Golden League meet?


there once was a warm and unassuming track fan who made the effort to journey to a faraway land to witness the greatest, the fastest and the strongest. when he made his way back he kindly sought to share his wonderful memories with like minded souls. to his surprise not everyone was happy to hear what a wonderous time he had experienced. some called him a snob and an elitist. some were jealous but he kept posting because he knew there were kindred spirits who even though they had never ventured to such faraway lands, marveled and appreciated every word.
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Postby bad hammy » Fri Dec 09, 2005 5:16 pm

SQUACKEE wrote:some were jealous but he kept posting because he knew there were kindred spirits who even though they had never ventured to such faraway lands, marveled and appreciated every word.

I am envious, not jealous. If I had the resources I’d be sitting in the stands with kuha every time.
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Postby SQUACKEE » Fri Dec 09, 2005 5:54 pm

bad hammy wrote:
SQUACKEE wrote:some were jealous but he kept posting because he knew there were kindred spirits who even though they had never ventured to such faraway lands, marveled and appreciated every word.

I am envious, not jealous. If I had the resources I’d be sitting in the stands with kuha every time.


me also. i might ask the rich bastard to buy me a brat wurst and bier, bitter. und snell!!
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Postby gm » Fri Dec 09, 2005 8:23 pm

Guess the tongue was much too firmly in cheek :?

I was trying to elicit responses from those here who maybe don't have the wherewithal to get to OG/WC/GL meets. I would really be interested, for example, in what the best "non-major" performance witnessed by Mark would be. Something at a CG, maybe, or a British league meet, etc. Or someone who has been to a bunch of NCAA champs.

One of my best memories at a non-major is the 8.14 LJ by then-junior Sheddric Fields at a small meet in Cwmbran on a U.S. "B" team tour.
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Postby Bob H » Sat Dec 10, 2005 12:51 pm

gm wrote:One of my best memories at a non-major is the 8.14 LJ by then-junior Sheddric Fields at a small meet in Cwmbran on a U.S. "B" team tour.

One of my best memories of a non-major was the 2.33m (7-7 3/4) high jump of Vladimir Yashchenko in the 1977 US-USSR Junior dual meet. That jump broke Dwight Stones's World Record--not exactly what anyone expected to see at a junior meet held at a local track in Richmond, VA.
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Postby gh » Tue Dec 13, 2005 10:16 am

Dang---my 100 PR just dropped to 9.80.
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Postby 26mi235 » Tue Dec 13, 2005 11:22 am

My small meet marks of note include:

8:46 3000 from SFH at the UW May Twilight meet (about 2000?)

~60m jav at the Big Tens (2003?),

2:01i or 2:02i (probably) from Amy Wickus two months before she set the Collegiate record in Indy

And four that I had the opportunity to witness as an official:

4.10m PV from a (former) walk-on at UW May Twilight meet,

1.78 HJ at a JO regional meet from an Intermediate (I think) athlete with an entry mark nowhere close, and this one I got to officiate

2.27i in the HJ at the UW indoor Invite from someone 5'10" (J. Fischer) and this one I got to officiate

~18' 5" in the Deca PV (might have been only 18' 1" made, 18' 5" attempted) at Big Tens.


The only big meet was the Big Tens, but I did not expect just about the best US mark of the year (or one of the best of the millenium).
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Postby tandfman » Fri Oct 06, 2006 6:26 pm

Since I won't be going to any more track meets this year, I've just done my annual update. My list of spectator PR's appears in the first post of this thread. If you have not previously read the message above the list, please do. The whole point of the exercise is really not the list--it's the message. If you go to track meets and don't keep your own personal list of spectator PR's, you're missing a fun way to enhance your enjoyment of the sport and of the meets that you do attend.
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Postby pv22' » Fri Oct 06, 2006 7:06 pm

My PRs surely cant compare but the awe I felt?

1986 Mt.Sac (I think,I was 13)

Billy Olson,Joe Dial and Earl Bell.

Saw The KING win the 100m (I think).

The thing I remember most was standing near the hot dog stand and Earl ran by me towards the bathroom..."WOW! HE is tall!"

The next year I went to a Dec invatational near Stuttgart. My mom went up to Hissegen and got his autograph for me. And hit on her!!!!! Man, I should whooped his a$$!!!! LOL!
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Postby tandfman » Mon Nov 05, 2007 1:24 pm

The Mile PR thread that was opened today reminded me that I haven't yet done my annual bump of this thread. If you're new here, take a look at the first post on the thread--not just the marks but the message as well.

I'll say again (as I think I do every year) that keeping track of your own spectator PR's really can add to the enjoyment you get from going to track meets. I know it has added to mine.
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Postby Jon » Mon Nov 05, 2007 2:15 pm

Latest update, as of Sep 2008. Very few additions (in bold) this season unfortunately :?

Men Outdoor:
100m - 9.77
200m - 19.84
400m - 43.99
800m - 1:43.88
1500m - 3:30.25
Mile - 3:49.84
3000m - 7:33.54
2 miles - 8:11.16
5000m - 12:46.53
Mar - 2:10:54
3000mSC - 7:59.65
110mH - 13.11
400mH - 48.35
HJ - 2.34
PV - 5.90
LJ - 8.45
TJ - 17.65
SP - 22.45
DT - 69.22
HT - 79.31
JT - 87.59
4x100m - 38.30
4x400m - 3:01.70

Men Indoor:
60m - 6.46
200m - 20.53
400m - 45.34
800m - 1:45.69
1000m - 2:14.96 WR
1500m - 3:34.26
2000m - 4:49.99 WR
3000m - 7:32.43
2 Miles - 8:04.35 WR
5000m - 12:49.60 WR
60mH - 7.36
HJ - 2.40
PV - 5.90
LJ - 8.40
TJ - 17.83 WR
SP - 21.57
Hept - 6438
4x400 - 3:04.09

Women Outdoor:
100m - 11.00 (10.89w)
200m - 22.25
400m - 49.05
800m - 1:57.22
1500m - 4:01.15
3000m - 8:29.55
5000m - 14:37.99
10000m - 30:17.15
Mar - 2:34:35
3000mSC - 9:40.95
100mH - 12.57
400mH - 54.04
HJ - 2.05
PV - 4.91
LJ - 7.01
TJ - 14.98
SP - 19.69
DT - 65.54
HT - 76.50
JT - 70.20
4x100m - 42.78
4x400m - 3:23.51

Women Indoor:
60m - 7.04
200m - 22.18
400m - 50.02
800m - 1:57.72
1000m - 2:32.96
1500m - 4:01.67
3000m - 8:31.94
60mH - 7.75
HJ - 2.05
PV - 4.90 WR
LJ - 6.98
TJ - 15.36 WR
SP - 20.55
Pent - 4948
4x400 - 3:23.88 WR
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Postby lonewolf » Mon Nov 05, 2007 4:37 pm

I have never compiled a list of the best performances I have witnessed and may be too far behind to start now but have a questions about the ground rules.
If one is officiating another event concurrent with an exceptional performance in another event but duties prevented actually observing the event, does it count?
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Postby tandfman » Mon Nov 05, 2007 5:32 pm

lonewolf wrote:I have never compiled a list of the best performances I have witnessed and may be too far behind to start now but have a questions about the ground rules.
If one is officiating another event concurrent with an exceptional performance in another event but duties prevented actually observing the event, does it count?

Everyone I know who keep track of this sort of thing says that you have to have seen at least part of the performance in question. I'd count a field event performance that occurred during a 5000m race provided that my attention had been diverted to the field event and I'd actually seen it. I'd also count the 5,000m performance even though I hadn't seen every step of the race. But if I were officiating a long jump and someone threw a discus behind my back and I never saw an instant of the throw, I would not count it. (I've missed several PR's in field events at meets I've attended when I simply did not see the throw or jump for various reasons. Obviously, I try not to let that happen and I'm not happy when it does.)

At the end of the day, though, there are no rules. Nobody scores it. You don't get penalized if you cheat. It's a matter that you must decide. You have to figure out what your rules will be and then you have to live with them. Remember that the whole purpose of the exercise is to add a new dimension to the experience of going to a track meet and seeing great performances. If it makes you feel better to count things you haven't seen as long as you were in the arena at the time, go right ahead. And if you want to keep two sets of PR's, one limited to things you actually saw, that's ok too.
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Re: Spectator PR's

Postby jazzcyclist » Mon Nov 05, 2007 6:08 pm

gh wrote:Men
100 – 9.78*

Is this a typo or do I not understand what the asterisk means?
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Re: Spectator PR's

Postby Daisy » Mon Nov 05, 2007 6:10 pm

jazzcyclist wrote:
gh wrote:Men
100 – 9.78*

Is this a typo or do I not understand what the asterisk means?


I assume it's Tim Montgomery, hence the asterisk.
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Re: Spectator PR's

Postby tandfman » Tue Nov 06, 2007 4:07 am

Daisy wrote:
jazzcyclist wrote:
gh wrote:Men
100 – 9.78*

Is this a typo or do I not understand what the asterisk means?

I assume it's Tim Montgomery, hence the asterisk.

The asterisk indicates that the time is a world record, which it was when he posted it. It appears that gh hasn't updated his PR list since 2004 (at least not the one on this thread), although I'm sure he's seen some PR's since then. I saw the Montgomery 9.78 too, but when that mark was erased from the books, I amended my list to delete it.
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