Britain's next multi-events star?


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Britain's next multi-events star?

Postby Jon » Wed Mar 05, 2008 9:19 am

There has been a steady flow of British female heptathletes over the years, starting with Mary Peters. Things picked up again with Denise Lewis, who seemed to kick-start the newest and current generation (Kelly Sotherton, Jessica Ennis, etc).

And already there are new talents on the horizon. Jade Surman has been performing well for a while, but last weekend saw the stunning breakthrough of another British multi-eventer - Katarina Thompson (born Jan '93).

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She first emerged last year when, at age 14, she jumped 1.80m (5' 10¾"). She dabbled in combined events in 2007, but this year she seems to be taking them more seriously.

Last weekend Thompson (who has just turned 15) won the junior women's pentathlon at a combined events international competition in France with a score of 3944! Her individual marks were 9.24, 1.73m (5' 8"), 10.10m (33' 1¾"), 6.11m (20' 0½") and 2:23.67.

Her 3944 is a UK youth record (even though she has another two years left in the age group) and is the third-best ever by a British junior athlete. Further, her 6.11m in the long jump is a UK age-15 best - and that is arguably 'only' her third best event!

As far as I can see, Thompson's 3944 is a world age-15 best for the pentathlon. She has another two years as a youth (U18) athlete - can she close in on Carolina Klüft's world youth best of 4261? The British junior pentathlon record (4096) will most likely be smashed by Thompson before she turns a senior in 2013.

It will also be interesting to see if she can make the GB Olympic team as a junior in 2012, but for now it's better to take things one step at a time.

Here is the world youth all-time pentathlon list:
4261 Carolina Klüft SWE 12 Feb 2000 (age 17)
4224 Peggy Beer GDR 26 Jan 1985 (age 15)
4097 Antonia Schulze-Borgees GER 7 Feb 1999 (age 16)
4060 Denisa Ščerbová CZE 21 Feb 2003 (age 16)
3988 Zuzana Hejnová CZE 21 Feb 2003 (age 16)
3944 Katarina Thompson GBR 2 Mar 2008 (age 15)
3936 Nikol Ogrodníková CZE 10 Feb 2007 (age 16)
3910 Marie Burešová CZE 10 Feb 2002 (age 16)
3895 Dan Jiao CHN 20 Feb 2001 (age 16)
3867 Eliška Klučinová CZE 25 Feb 2005 (age 16)
3852 Kateřina Cachová CZE 10 Feb 2006 (age 15)
3831 Alina Fodorova UKR 15 Feb 2006 (age 16)
3818 Simona Neaţă ROU 18 Feb 2006 (age 16)
3846 Shana Woods USA 14 Mar 2004 (age 15)
3815 Jade Surman GBR 13 Feb 2005 (age 15)
3807 Viktorija Žemaityte LTU 8 Feb 2002 (age 16)
3792 Helena Vinařová CZE 24 Feb 1990 (age 15)
3785 Jessica Ennis GBR 26 Jan 2003 (age 16)
3775 Hanna Juzyszyn POL 5 Feb 2000 (age 16)
3760 Zhang Tingting CHN 22 Feb 2003 (age 16)

This list is just based on performances I can find from trawling the net. If anyone knows of any other youth pentathlon performances, feel free to post them here.

More of her results here:
http://www.athleticsdata.com/athletes/p ... teid=21167

Edit: see update on June 6 2010 for news of Britain's up-and-coming decathlete.
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Re: Britain's next female multi-events star?

Postby Daisy » Wed Mar 05, 2008 12:53 pm

Jon wrote:Jade Surman has been performing well for a while


Any indoor outing this year?
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Postby Jon » Thu Mar 06, 2008 1:30 am

Not this year. She didn't have much of an indoor season last year either - I think she prefers outdoors.
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Postby EPelle » Thu Mar 06, 2008 1:31 am

Jon, as always, a big appreciation for new, rich information like this!

Cheers.
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Postby Jon » Thu Mar 06, 2008 2:26 am

Forgot to mention she ran a UK age-15 best in the 300m earlier this year too. Her 38.56 is the second fastest ever by a British U17 - faster than the likes of Nicola Sanders and Hayley Jones ran when they were her age. And in the race she ran that time, Katarina beat Victoria Ohuruogu... guess who's sister she is!
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Postby Stephen » Thu Mar 06, 2008 3:38 am

Great performance, but let's wait a few years before we start handing out Olympic gold medals.

Remember Renate Chinyou? Exactly!
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Postby Taffy » Thu Mar 06, 2008 3:41 am

I remember Renata , a Junior same time as Donna and Merry
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Postby Jon » Thu Mar 06, 2008 3:43 am

Stephen wrote:Great performance, but let's wait a few years before we start handing out Olympic gold medals.
Exactly, note the paragraph before the world youth all-time list.
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Postby Taffy » Thu Mar 06, 2008 4:09 am

Jon , never mind the heated debate mate. Help me out , what channels are showing the WIC live tomorrow ?
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Postby Jon » Thu Mar 06, 2008 4:52 am

The only coverage on terrestrial TV is on BBC 2 tomorrow between 7.30pm and 8pm - just half an hour to squeeze in the coverage of Sotherton and Chambers.

But they're showing the rest of it on interactive (if you have digital, just turn to BBC 1 and press the red button). The schedule for that is here:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/athletics/6107744.stm

Eurosport's coverage is as follows:
Friday: 11.45am - 1pm. 6.15pm - 8pm.
Saturday: 5.15pm - 7.45pm.
Sunday: 3pm - 4.30pm.
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Postby Taffy » Thu Mar 06, 2008 5:50 am

Darn only have Eurosport.

Btw the girl you made the thread for looks an awesome talent.
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Postby mojo » Thu Mar 06, 2008 10:46 am

Taffy wrote:Darn only have Eurosport.

Btw the girl you made the thread for looks an awesome talent.


She is a talent.

I wonder if I sent her some tourist brochures whether she would consider immigrating? 8)
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Postby Jon » Mon Jul 28, 2008 4:16 am

Katarina Thompson last weekend added 100 points to the UK U17 record - she is still only 15 years old and has another year in the age group!

She scored 5343 (15.51, 1.78, 9.94m, 24.29, 5.85m, 32.50m, 2:21.68) with PBs in the 100H, 200m, JT and 800m.

This score would have put her in the top 15 at the world juniors, but she would have been too young to compete there (I think).

The world age 15 heptathlon best is Drechsler's 5780, while Peggy Beer scored 5474 at age 14.
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Postby Matt » Mon Jul 28, 2008 4:20 am

That HJ and 200 are absolutely brilliant. Well done to her!
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Postby Stephen » Mon Jul 28, 2008 4:43 am

Jon wrote:She scored 5343 (15.51, 1.78, 9.94m, 24.29, 5.85m, 32.50m, 2:21.68) with PBs in the 100H, 200m, JT and 800m.

The world age 15 heptathlon best is Drechsler's 5780, while Peggy Beer scored 5474 at age 14.


It's worth comparing her scores to Drechsler's (14.80, 1.80, 11.66, 24.03, 6.38, 32.58 and 2:20.1) and Beers (14.50, 1.77, 10.42, 25.11, 5.64, 32.32, 2:12.5) to see where she can improve - definately in the hurdles and shot where she's down on the other two
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Re: Britain's next female multi-events star?

Postby Jake » Mon Jul 28, 2008 6:50 am

Jon wrote:There has been a steady flow of British female heptathletes over the years, starting with Mary Peters.


Minor point but Mary P was a pentathlete, not a heptathlete. She retired in 1974, a few years before the hep was introduced (early 80s).

Britain's first great multi-eventer was of course Mary Rand, who won pentathlon silver at the 1964 Olympics.
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Re: Britain's next female multi-events star?

Postby mump boy » Mon Jul 28, 2008 7:31 am

Jake wrote:
Jon wrote:There has been a steady flow of British female heptathletes over the years, starting with Mary Peters.


Minor point but Mary P was a pentathlete, not a heptathlete. She retired in 1974, a few years before the hep was introduced (early 80s).

Britain's first great multi-eventer was of course Mary Rand, who won pentathlon silver at the 1964 Olympics.


very minor point !!! i'm pretty sure jon wasn't aware of that !!!
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Re: Britain's next female multi-events star?

Postby Jaack » Mon Jul 28, 2008 9:39 am

mump boy wrote:
Jake wrote:
Jon wrote:There has been a steady flow of British female heptathletes over the years, starting with Mary Peters.


Minor point but Mary P was a pentathlete, not a heptathlete. She retired in 1974, a few years before the hep was introduced (early 80s).

Britain's first great multi-eventer was of course Mary Rand, who won pentathlon silver at the 1964 Olympics.


very minor point !!! i'm pretty sure jon wasn't aware of that !!!
Speaking of British Heptathletes. ..... We were reminiscing about the original GLADIATORS TV series the night in the pub when I did my one an only impression. I never mimic people but since I was a kid I have done this bit on the gladiator "Nightshade". She used to do this 360 turn, put her hands to her hips and twitch her lips. I googled her the next day only to find, she was an incredible heptathlete!! :shock:

Judy Simpson with a PB of 6623.....can't believe I didn't know that! Just before my time I guess.

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Postby Flumpy » Mon Jul 28, 2008 10:00 am

Get wwith the programme Jaack. How can you not have known that???
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Re: Britain's next female multi-events star?

Postby Rineanna » Mon Jul 28, 2008 10:05 am

Jaack wrote:Speaking of British Heptathletes. ..... We were reminiscing about the original GLADIATORS TV series the night in the pub when I did my one an only impression. I never mimic people but since I was a kid I have done this bit on the gladiator "Nightshade". She used to do this 360 turn, put her hands to her hips and twitch her lips. I googled her the next day only to find, she was an incredible heptathlete!! :shock:

Judy Simpson with a PB of 6623.....can't believe I didn't know that! Just before my time I guess.


Isn't Tempest from the current series of Gladiator a multi-eventer? And battle-axe is the Scottish Hammer record holder, isn't she?
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Re: Britain's next female multi-events star?

Postby Jon » Mon Jul 28, 2008 10:46 am

mump boy wrote:
Jake wrote:
Jon wrote:There has been a steady flow of British female heptathletes over the years, starting with Mary Peters.


Minor point but Mary P was a pentathlete, not a heptathlete. She retired in 1974, a few years before the hep was introduced (early 80s).

Britain's first great multi-eventer was of course Mary Rand, who won pentathlon silver at the 1964 Olympics.
very minor point !!! i'm pretty sure jon wasn't aware of that !!!
Erm, yes... learn something new every day, eh? :roll: :wink: :lol:
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Postby Novitiate » Mon Jul 28, 2008 10:58 am

Superb thread, thanks Jon! Interesting to note that when the young lady learns to hurdle, she'll pick up scads more points. With 7.88 speed, she's taking nearly 3 tenths of a second over each barrier in that 60mH event. Lots of room for improvement there!
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Postby AthleticsInBritain » Mon Jul 28, 2008 11:50 am

Is that Judy Livermore as was? ;)
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Postby Jon » Mon Jul 28, 2008 12:00 pm

Stephen wrote:
Jon wrote:She scored 5343 (15.51, 1.78, 9.94m, 24.29, 5.85m, 32.50m, 2:21.68) with PBs in the 100H, 200m, JT and 800m.

The world age 15 heptathlon best is Drechsler's 5780, while Peggy Beer scored 5474 at age 14.
It's worth comparing her scores to Drechsler's (14.80, 1.80, 11.66, 24.03, 6.38, 32.58 and 2:20.1) and Beers (14.50, 1.77, 10.42, 25.11, 5.64, 32.32, 2:12.5) to see where she can improve - definately in the hurdles and shot where she's down on the other two
Thompson's shot isn't dire (her PB is 10.10m), but you're right about her hurdles. With her speed and height, she should be a lot better, but there's plenty of time to improve.

Her PBs are:
60m - 7.88
100m - 12.35 (1.4m/s)
200m - 24.29
300m - 38.56i
800m - 2:21.68
100mH - 15.51
HJ - 1.80m
LJ - 6.11m
SP - 10.10m
JT - 32.50m
Pen - 3944
Hep - 5343
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Postby mojo » Mon Jul 28, 2008 12:11 pm

Jon wrote:[but you're right about her hurdles. With her speed and height, she should be a lot better, but there's plenty of time to improve.



Tell her she has free room and board and hurdle coaching if she comes to Canada!

I am still in shock that Jon thought Mary P was a heptathlete! :shock:
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Re: Britain's next female multi-events star?

Postby pauluk63 » Mon Jul 28, 2008 12:28 pm

Rineanna wrote:
Jaack wrote:Speaking of British Heptathletes. ..... We were reminiscing about the original GLADIATORS TV series the night in the pub when I did my one an only impression. I never mimic people but since I was a kid I have done this bit on the gladiator "Nightshade". She used to do this 360 turn, put her hands to her hips and twitch her lips. I googled her the next day only to find, she was an incredible heptathlete!! :shock:

Judy Simpson with a PB of 6623.....can't believe I didn't know that! Just before my time I guess.


Isn't Tempest from the current series of Gladiator a multi-eventer? And battle-axe is the Scottish Hammer record holder, isn't she?


Tempest is Lucy Boggis who is the youngest gladiator at 19... her life dream is to get to the 2012 Olympics!!! she is a talent!

Her PBS as they stand:
100h- 14.00 (2007- aged 18)
HJ- 1.71 (2003- aged 14)
SP- 11.35 (2007- aged 18)
200m- 25.75 (2007- aged 18)
LJ- 5.39 (2005- aged 16)
JT- 40.11 (2005- aged 16)
800- 2:32.86 (2007- aged 18)
HEP- 5013 (2007- aged 18)


what is worrying about Lucy is that at 16 she was doing amazing for her age and has since slowed down breaking her PBS- but 40.11 is really good for 16!!! and 1.71 for aged 14!!!

Seeing as her dream is 2012 and breakthroughs having been made, i wonder?
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Postby proofs in the pudd'in » Mon Jul 28, 2008 12:35 pm

Any relation to Daley Thompson?

By the way his B-day is in two days - 50yrs old. :D
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Postby Jon » Wed Mar 11, 2009 1:34 pm

One year on since this thread was created....
Last weekend Thompson (who is now 16) jumped to the top of the 2009 UK pentathlon rankings (and second in the 2009 HJ rankings), adding 150 points to her PB with a score of 4092.

She has now overtaken Jessica Ennis on the UK junior all-time list (Ennis scored 4089 at the age of 19). Had Thompson jumped just 2cm further in the LJ, she'd have broken Aileen Wilson's UK junior record (4096) and Antonia Schulze-Borgees' world age 16-best (4097).

Her scores at the weekend were:
8.95 (PB), 1.82m (PB), 10.09m, 5.79m, 2:18.18 (PB).
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Postby Kai88 » Wed Mar 11, 2009 2:07 pm

Good to see that a year on and good imporvements are still being made, most important thing is to make sure that she wants to keep in the sport through adolescent years and enjoy it along the way.

First major international test would come at the World Youths i presume this year, admittidely its difficult to know what the competition is like around the world yet, but she should be challenging for a medal based on those performances.

She very much has the ability to break they Junior UK record and the world age 16 best had she jumped around her SB in the long jump.

Not perhaps so good that a 16 year old girl is the 2nd best high jumper Britain has at the moment, and thats behind another multi eventer, with Jessica Ennis the other mutil eventer likely to lead the rankings come the summer.......
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Postby scoe » Sat Mar 14, 2009 7:12 am

Correct, was Judy Livermore.
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Postby 3a » Sat Jul 11, 2009 2:04 am

She is killing it at the World Youths. PB number 4 in the Long Jump with 6.31. (probably be good enough to win the individual event.)


Hurdles: 14.17
HJ: 1.82
SP: 10.00
200m: 24.34
LJ: 6.31


She has it all. Just needs to keep improving the technicalities. How do GB keep churning out the Multi stars? :shock:
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Postby Powell » Sat Jul 11, 2009 5:02 am

3a wrote:How do GB keep churning out the Multi stars? :shock:


And why are they all so bad at throwing javelin? :P I don't suppose Thompson is going to lose this one - she's still over 90 points ahead of Laura Ikauniece after 6 events, but she lost 168 points on the Latvian in JT. :?
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Postby 3a » Sat Jul 11, 2009 10:02 am

Powell wrote:
3a wrote:How do GB keep churning out the Multi stars? :shock:


And why are they all so bad at throwing javelin? :P I don't suppose Thompson is going to lose this one - she's still over 90 points ahead of Laura Ikauniece after 6 events, but she lost 168 points on the Latvian in JT. :?
Mid 30's is very reasonable for a 16 year old IMHO.It's better than Ennis at her age, and she has already developed to 46 meters. As far as I'm aware, the only top Britih heptathlete with a weak jav is Sotherton. Livemore and Lewis excelled in the are and Ennis is heading towards 50m every year.


Thompos did indeed manage the win with a 2'20 800m . 5700+ points. third of the all time youth list IIRC, behind Hejnova (who has since switched to the 400m hurdles, something Sotherton and Kluft should have done by now IMO. ;) )
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Postby 3a » Sat Jul 11, 2009 10:04 am

Powell wrote:
3a wrote:How do GB keep churning out the Multi stars? :shock:


And why are they all so bad at throwing javelin? :P I don't suppose Thompson is going to lose this one - she's still over 90 points ahead of Laura Ikauniece after 6 events, but she lost 168 points on the Latvian in JT. :?
Mid 30's is very reasonable for a 16 year old IMHO. It's better than Ennis at her age, and she has already developed to 46 meters. As far as I'm aware, the only top British heptathlete with a weak jav is Sotherton. Lewis excelled in the area and Ennis is heading towards 50m every year.

Thompson did indeed manage the win with a 2'20 800m . 5700+ points. third of the all time youth list IIRC, behind Hejnova (who has since switched to the 400m hurdles, something Sotherton and Kluft should have done by now IMO. ;) )
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Postby Powell » Sat Jul 11, 2009 10:33 am

3a wrote:Mid 30's is very reasonable for a 16 year old IMHO.


Not sure I would agree. Calling 33.77 mid 30's is a bit generous anyway. And out of her 14 rivals, 8 outthrew her, and the top two did so by roughly 9 and 8 meters.
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Postby 3a » Sat Jul 11, 2009 10:38 am

Powell wrote:
3a wrote:Mid 30's is very reasonable for a 16 year old IMHO.


Not sure I would agree. Calling 33.77 mid 30's is a bit generous anyway. And out of her 14 rivals, 8 outthrew her, and the top two did so by roughly 9 and 8 meters.
Also just realised, Livemore Simposn was Awful at the Jav. Maybe you have a point. :lol: Thompson will be fine though, I'm sure.
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Re: Britain's next female multi-events star?

Postby Jon » Sat Mar 06, 2010 4:06 pm

Katarina Johnson-Thompson set a pentathlon PB today of 4146 (8.85, 1.81m, 9.90m, 6.12m, 2:21.35) to move up to third on the (unofficial) world youth all-time list, just 115 points behind Carolina Kluft. Had she equalled her SBs in the 60H, LJ and SP (more than a metre down), she'd have bettered Kluft's score.
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Re: Britain's next female multi-events star?

Postby 72 » Sun Mar 07, 2010 12:09 am

In the UK as she is now 17 years of age ( born Jan 93) and she is an Under- 20 in the rankings. Is she still a Youth in World definition terms.?
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Re: Britain's next female multi-events star?

Postby Jon » Sun Mar 07, 2010 12:36 am

Yes, to be a youth athlete you have to be under-18 in the year of competition. She has already had her birthday this year, so she'll remain 17 for the rest of the year and will therefore be a youth.
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Re: Britain's next female multi-events star?

Postby Gabriella » Mon Mar 08, 2010 1:17 am

This is a great score for Thompson and 200 point improvement on her score from when she was 15. Really solid jumping from her again.

We need to take this for what it is though, a great youth and U20 score. Peggy Beer scored 4224 at 15 and though she went on to great things as a junior (Euro junior gold, world junior bronze) as a senior she 'only' won bronze at the european outdoors and her highest position in a global heptathlon was 6th in Barcelona. She had a good PB of 6531, but that is only 10th on the German list and not as high as one would expect. We also see Denisa Scerbova high on the junior list and yet as with Beer she hasn't done anything significant at senior level. Much further down on the list is Ennis, who has come into her own as a senior.

Hopefully Thompson will continue to develop and be a world beater.
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