DrJay wrote:Been meaning to do this for awhile. Revised numbers, adding 2011 and 2012 to the last table above. Four year periods ending in Olympic years, average of the 10th, 20th, and 40th fastest US performer for each of the four years in each four year period. I did not go back and look at the world performers. Maybe someday soon. Across the board improvement, though not by as much as I expected is some events, especially the 5K, and not by as much as I hoped in many of them. (One thing I learned, laying the '12 and '13 Annual Issues side by side, is that the layout is exactly the same each year, page by page....makes the job easier, something to do with Henry Ford...and they just rearrange the names of the Kenyans in the steeple....)
exdrake wrote:That's a lot of time and effort to determine we suck at steeple. Huling excepted.
Interesting comment from 2011 since a year later 2 seconds were hacked of the record, and as I noted above, 8:3x got only about 7th at the Big Ten meet and all were Americans.
It is also looking down a layer at what was happening to high school distance running in the period that kicked off this thread. There, the sport had recovered from its doldrums of the 1990s; I will Aaron fill in details, but the likes of Ritz, Teg, Webb were just the tip of the iceberg that indicated a sea-change from the prior decade+ of decline.
Though I didn't include the 800 in the stats, I think of it as a distance event rather than a sprint. So with Symmonds' 800 silver tonight, maybe time to put down all the names of active American 800m-on-up runners with Olympic or World Champs medals. The list is getting longer.
Montano and Martinez have better shots than Cain. And I'd be much more delighted to see either of them winning a medal. Not that I dislike Cain. But she will have more opportunities in future than the other two.
USA placed at least one runner in top eight in men's 800, 1500, 5000, 10000 and 3000SC. And the ONLY country to do so. (Kenya didn't have any one in 800, and Ethiopia not in 3000SC.)
USA also placed at least one runner in women's 800, 1500, 5000 and 10000. The only other country to do so is Kenya. (Ethiopia did not have any one in 800.) Coburn's injury left the USA without a quality runner in 3000SC.
If we score countries by NCAA format (10-8-6, etc.) here are the top five in distance events (800-marathon).
Men: 1. KEN 69, 2. ETH 53, 3. USA 32, 4. UK 24, 5. UGA 10. Women: 1. KEN 80, 2. ETH 51, 3. USA 27, 4. RUS 15, 5. JPN 14. Total: 1. KEN 149, 2. ETH 104, 3. USA 59, 4. UK 29, 5. JPN 17.
What do the categories mean. is 10 the average of the top ten in each year or it is the tenth best across the four years? If so, you should use the average of 2 and 3 for the "10" category, 5th for the "20, and 10th for the "40". Note that in 2013 you get no one trying to set Q marks for the next major champs in the marathon, and in the 10,000, the longer carry0over might lead to runners not taking a hard shot at the 10,000, just racing the big race to qualify. Furthermore, Qs can now be had at the W XC, so a couple American's got their qualifiers there.
10 is the average of the four tenth-place marks on the US annual list from the four years of each period ending in an Olympic year. So 3:36.7 is the average of the tenth fastest US 1500 performers in 2009, 2010, 2011, and 2012. Similar for the 20th and 40th fastest US performers.