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US distance runners progressing? (updated data)

Postby DrJay » Mon Apr 16, 2007 10:57 am

A couple of years ago, there was a thread entitled “US distance runners gutless?:

http://mb.trackandfieldnews.com/discuss ... php?t=9937

In the middle of the first page, I looked at the average time of the 10th and 20th fastest US and world men in the distance events in three time periods, 1976-80, 1980-84, and 2000-2004. I was looking to see if the US men had improved, knowing that the rest of the world (read: Africa) certainly had. Unfortunately, the US was stagnant or even worse from 1980-84 to 2000-2004.

It seems like we’ve had a bit of an uptick in our distance performances the last year or two, with Webb and Lagat and Lincoln and Ritz and Teg, or have we? These are just the top guys and don’t reflect depth. The Mt. SAC men’s 5K got me wondering if the last two years have been any different at the 10th and 20th spots on the US lists. I count 17 guys that could run under 13:20 for 5K this year, either having done it in the last two years or knocking on the door. Some probably won’t run a 5K this year (Webb, Meb) and some will be injured and some just won’t get there.

So I pulled the 10th and 20th fastest US men for 2005 and 2006 and listed them. On each line, the first number is US average for 1976-80, then US 1980-84, then US 2000-04, then US for 2005, then 2006, then world average 1976-80, then world 2000-04 (world list includes US performers.)

…………………………………………………………….US………………………………………………………World………
………………………’76-‘80………’80-’84……2000-’04…2005………2006……………’76-’80……2000-‘04

….1500 10th…… 3:40.8…… 3:38.6…… 3:39.5……3:38.3……3:38.9………… 3:36.2…… 3:32.1
….1500 20th…… 3:41.7…… 3:40.5…… 3:41.3……3:40.4……3:40.7………… 3:37.4…… 3:34.0

Steeple 10th…… 8:35.2…… 8:30.0…… 8:29.4……8:34.8……8:35.4………… 8:22.3…… 8:10.2
Steeple 20th…… 8:43.1…… 8:39.2…… 8:39.3……8:42.4……8:41.1………… 8:25.9…… 8:16.4

………5K 10th… 13:37.9……13:33.0… 13:33.6……13:22.2…13:29.2………… 13:20.5… 12:59.3
………5K 20th… 13:47.3……13:40.9… 13:41.4……13:39.3…13:40.2………… 13:23.7… 13:06.6

……10K 10th… 28:33.0……28:20.6… 28:28.8……28:35.9…28:19.3………… 27:46.8… 27:19.0
……10K 20th… 28:55.5……28:40.2… 28:46.5……28:45.3…28.40.0………… 28:00.0… 27:37.6

In the 1500, depth is slightly better than ’00-’04 and comparable to ’80-’84.
In the steeple, worse than those two periods.
In the 5K, better at 10th place vs. those two periods but pretty comparable at 20th place.
In the 10K, pretty comparable (probably fewer data points, i.e. races, so more variablility).

So only in the 5K do things seem to be moving along a bit. Will this 3 year WC/OG/WC cycle be a jump-start? Time will tell.
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Re: US distance runners progressing?

Postby AS » Mon Apr 16, 2007 4:53 pm

DrJay wrote:I count 17 guys that could run under 13:20 for 5K this year, either having done it in the last two years or knocking on the door. Some probably won’t run a 5K this year (Webb, Meb) and some will be injured and some just won’t get there.


Who are your 17?
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Postby DrJay » Mon Apr 16, 2007 4:58 pm

In no particular order, Lagat, Teg, Goucher, Ritz, Abdi, Fam, Solinsky, Hall, Kirkpatrick, Dobson, Webb, Meb, Torres, McDougal, Broe, Moran, Rohatinsky. Remember, these are coulds, but some won't even run a 5K this year.

edit for misspelled Rohatinsky
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Re: US distance runners progressing?

Postby malmo » Mon Apr 16, 2007 5:53 pm

Good job Dr Jay. what did you get for the marathon?

Any chance of going to the 50th performance?

Another thing. Why compare the 76-80 to 00-04 in the world lists? 76-80 the 'professional era had just begun. It might be better to compare 80-84 to 00-04 since the 80-84 years are when the professional era first matured.
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Re: US distance runners progressing?

Postby malmo » Mon Apr 16, 2007 6:19 pm

Dr Jay, If you don't mind, I've rotated your tables.

1500 ____10____ 20
76-80 3:40.8__ 3:41.7
80-84 3:38.6__ 3:40.5
00-04 3:39.5__ 3:41.3
2005. 3:38.3__ 3:40.4
2006. 3:38.9__ 3:40.7

Steeple __10____ 20
76-80 8:35.2__ 8:43.1
80-84 8:30.0__ 8:39.2
00-04 8:29.4__ 8:39.3
2005. 8:34.8__ 8:42.1
2006. 8:35.4__ 8:41.1

5000 ____10______ 20
76-80 13:37.9__ 13:47.3
80-84 13:33.0__ 13:40.9
00-04 13:33.6__ 13:41.4
2005. 13:22.2__ 13:39.3
2006. 13:29.2__ 13:40.2

10000 ____10_____ 20
76-80 28:33.0__ 28:55.5
80-84 28:20.6__ 28:40.2
00-04 28:28.8__ 28:46.5
2005. 28:35.9__ 28:45.3
2006. 28:19.3__ 28:40.0

World
1500 ____10____ 20
76-80 3:36.2__ 3:37.4
00-04 3:32.1__ 3:34.0

Steeple __10____ 20
76-80 8:22.3__ 8:25.9
00-04 8:10.2__ 8:16.4

5000 ____10______ 20
76-80 13:20.5__ 13:23.7
00-04 12:59.3__ 13:06.6

10000 ____10_____ 20
76-80 27:46.8__ 28:00.0
00-04 27:19.0__ 27:37.6
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Postby 26mi235 » Mon Apr 16, 2007 6:42 pm

Dr Jay, Malmo -- thanks for your contributions.
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Postby bad hammy » Mon Apr 16, 2007 6:54 pm

26mi235 wrote:Dr Jay, Malmo -- thanks for your contributions.

QFE, as the kids say . . .
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Postby AS » Mon Apr 16, 2007 7:12 pm

Have you aggregated across the 5 year periods (i.e. listed fastest 20 man over that period) or have you taken the average of the 10th and 20th best performer on each annual list over the 5 year period?

If it is the former, shouldn't you aggregate 2005 and 2006, as this would allow a closer comparison to the 5 year interval data you are using?
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Postby 26mi235 » Mon Apr 16, 2007 9:09 pm

Looking at Malmo's data there is an interesting aspect of the data. In the US data, the time gap 10 to 20 is typically slightly larger in '00 to '04 vs 80-84 at the shorter two distances and is slightly smaller for the 5/10.

However, the World data generally have bigger gaps more recently. This is consistent with the distribution being 'stretched out' [caveat - the question above on how the statistic is calculated might affect this next part.]. This implies that the top runners are getting better faster than the next group even though we think of the world having many more competitors, in part by having competitors continue longer.

Of course, maybe the combination of top dollars and better sports medicine is keeping the top guys in longer, while those further down the list (even while quite good) rotate out more frequently. Another factor is that the earlier generation on the world scene was probably more affected by political aspects of sport that supplied the funding for athletic careers in some countries.
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Postby DrJay » Tue Apr 17, 2007 6:39 am

AS wrote:Have you aggregated across the 5 year periods (i.e. listed fastest 20 man over that period) or have you taken the average of the 10th and 20th best performer on each annual list over the 5 year period?

If it is the former, shouldn't you aggregate 2005 and 2006, as this would allow a closer comparison to the 5 year interval data you are using?


Yes, for the five year periods the numbers were averages. I could have averaged 2005 and 2006, just didn't. I guess I also wanted to list them separately since to see if there was any big difference between the the championship 2005 year and the non-championship 2006 year.
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Re: US distance runners progressing?

Postby DrJay » Tue Apr 17, 2007 6:55 am

malmo wrote:Good job Dr Jay. what did you get for the marathon?

Any chance of going to the 50th performance?

Another thing. Why compare the 76-80 to 00-04 in the world lists? 76-80 the 'professional era had just begun. It might be better to compare 80-84 to 00-04 since the 80-84 years are when the professional era first matured.


I didn't do the marathon, enough work sorting through old Annual Issues for the 1500-10K. If I'm bored with nothing to do one of these days, maybe I could go to the 50th performer, and do the marathon.

When I first pulled these numbers, I used '76-'80 as '76 was the first year I got TAFNEWS. After I posted 76-80 vs. 00-04, you actually were the one to suggest I look at 80-84 vs. 00-04, instead:

"Posted: 16 Dec 2004 4:23 pm Post subject: Re: US distance runners gutless?

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>Just for grins, I went back and averaged
>the 10th and 20th best list times for the years 1976-1980 and the years
>2000-2004 for the 1500, steeple, 5000, and 10,000, from the US annual lists and
>the world annual lists. I

If you want to turn that grin upside down, then do the same thing with the years 80-84 and add the marathon into the equation. An entirely different picture will emerge."--malmo

I didn't realize that those years were the best we've seen, that the depth was better then than in 00-04. Thanks for prompting me to do that. I left 76-80 posted since I had done the work. It will interesting to do this for 04-08, after the WC and OG years.
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Re: US distance runners progressing?

Postby DrJay » Tue Apr 17, 2007 6:59 am

AS wrote:
DrJay wrote:I count 17 guys that could run under 13:20 for 5K this year, either having done it in the last two years or knocking on the door. Some probably won’t run a 5K this year (Webb, Meb) and some will be injured and some just won’t get there.


Who are your 17?


Make it 18, add Nelson. I've heard he's moving up from the 800, completely bypassing the 1500.
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Postby dsrunner » Wed Apr 18, 2007 6:19 am

the easiest approach might be to compare our top 50 times to the world top 50 times each year.

either add them like xc times, or even better just do a paired t-test, our top 50 against the world. the higher the p value, the better we're doing.

the best we could do is 1
worst is 0
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Re: US distance runners progressing?

Postby DrJay » Thu Mar 03, 2011 8:13 pm

Revised data, four years later, select four year periods ending in Olympiads, plus 2009-2010, average of the 10th, 20th, and 40th fastest US performer for each of the four years in each four year period (or two years for 2009-2010), marathon added. I did not go back and look at the world performers.

1500__10______20_____40
81-84 3:38.5__3:40.3__3:42.9
01-04 3:39.8__3:41.5__3:43.2
05-08 3:38.5__3:40.7__3:42.6
09-10 3:37.4__3:39.9__3:42.2

Steeple_10_____20_____40
81-84 8:30.3__8:38.8__8:48.0
01-04 8:30.0__8:40.4__8:51.8
05-08 8:35.1__8:40.7__8:52.8
09-10 8:35.6__8:42.5__8:50.6

5000___10______20______40
81-84 13:32.8__13:40.7__13:50.1
01-04 13:34.7__13.41.3__13:52.0
05-08 13:25.5__13:36.2__13:47.6
09-10 13:26.4__13:32.9__13:43.9

10,000__10______20______40
81-84 28:20.3__28:47.8__28:57.0
01-04 28:28.9__28:47.0__29:13.9
05-08 28:15.3__28:35.8__28:58.5
09-10 28:27.8__28:38.0__28:57.3

Marathon_10_____20______40
81-84 2:12:17__2:13:36__2:15.31
01-04 2:15:44__2:19:15__2:21:40
05-08 2:15:48__2:18:17__2:21:15
09-10 2:15:45__2:16:31__2:19:35
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Re: US distance runners progressing?

Postby DrJay » Thu Mar 03, 2011 8:22 pm

Despite all our excitement about Teg, Solinsky, Webb, Ritz, Wheating, Manzano, Lagat, Rupp, and so on, US depth is only increasing appreciably in the 5000, increasing a bit in the 1500 vis-a-vis 2001-2004, and looking pretty feeble, especially compared to the early 1980s, in the steeple and marathon.
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Re: US distance runners progressing? (updated data)

Postby odelltrclan » Fri Mar 04, 2011 7:10 am

Maybe, but ..

to have guys competing at a top level with at least a realistic hope of obtaining medals at worlds and Olympic games leaves a greater deal to be excited about than mere analysis of depth can provide. For much of the world it seems have given up hope against doing well against Africa and still our top level guys and some gals are right up there.

So the depth is only marginally improved? Oh well, not to be unexpected given the climate of where track stands with mainstream sports these days. We are seeing some great things at the top and that brings a refreshing level of excitement!
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Re: US distance runners progressing? (updated data)

Postby DrJay » Fri Mar 04, 2011 7:26 am

I agree to some extent. It is great to see those guys I named doing what they're doing. It just seems like the probability of having a steady crop of them coming along would be greater if our 20th fastest 1500 had improved to, say, 3:37 or 3:38 over the years instead of remaining stagnant at 3:40, or if our 20th fastest 10K dropped from 28:47 to 28:10 instead of 28:38. I mean, we're talking marginal improvement at best in some of the events over 30 years' time. I don't have a solution.....ban video games, NASCAR, the NFL, and Twinkies?
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Re: US distance runners progressing? (updated data)

Postby dj » Fri Mar 04, 2011 7:56 am

The depth in the period ending with 1984 is skewed because of three factors.

It was near the end of the running boom in terms of the effect on elite athletes.

Many athletes who might have retired after 1980--and either making an Olympics or not--decided to try to make the '84 team.

A home-country Olympics has produced a surge in the depth of performance, even greater than the normal Olympic-year surge.
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Re: US distance runners progressing? (updated data)

Postby Conor Dary » Fri Mar 04, 2011 8:35 am

The real peak in American distance running was probably Boston in 1983 when 76! Americans broke 2:20, albeit on a windy day.
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Re: US distance runners progressing? (updated data)

Postby exdrake » Fri Mar 04, 2011 8:38 am

That's a lot of time and effort to determine we suck at steeple. Huling excepted.
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Re: US distance runners progressing? (updated data)

Postby Conor Dary » Fri Mar 04, 2011 8:45 am

dj wrote:The depth in the period ending with 1984 is skewed because of three factors.

It was near the end of the running boom in terms of the effect on elite athletes.

Many athletes who might have retired after 1980--and either making an Olympics or not--decided to try to make the '84 team.

A home-country Olympics has produced a surge in the depth of performance, even greater than the normal Olympic-year surge.


That is part of it. But I might add, from someone who lived in Eugene, Boulder and Boston in the 80's and trained and raced, on a modest level, that it was a great time to be an American distance runner. Nike was pumping money into the sport sponsoring runners in all of those towns, especially Athletics West. You could also live fairly cheaply while working part time or even better graduate school. My brother and I rented a house in Boulder for 300 a month. There were also lots of local races, especially in Boston were it was not too difficult to pick 1000 here or there. And finally there were only a few Kenyans, such as Simeon Kigen, Joseph Kipsang and others on the scene.
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Re: US distance runners progressing? (updated data)

Postby exdrake » Fri Mar 04, 2011 9:08 am

What ever did happen to Josh McDougal--anyone know his status?
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Re: US distance runners progressing? (updated data)

Postby DrJay » Fri Mar 04, 2011 9:24 am

exdrake wrote:That's a lot of time and effort to determine we suck at steeple.

Ha! :)
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Re: US distance runners progressing? (updated data)

Postby DrJay » Fri Mar 04, 2011 9:26 am

I wonder what these #s would look like for the Brits?
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Re: US distance runners progressing? (updated data)

Postby Conor Dary » Fri Mar 04, 2011 9:33 am

DrJay wrote:I wonder what these #s would look like for the Brits?


How about non existent, or at best on life support.
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Re: US distance runners progressing? (updated data)

Postby Mighty Favog » Fri Mar 04, 2011 9:44 am

exdrake wrote:What ever did happen to Josh McDougal--anyone know his status?
What a timely question -- Running Times answered it this month.
http://runningtimes.com/Article.aspx?ArticleID=22056
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Re: US distance runners progressing? (updated data)

Postby exdrake » Fri Mar 04, 2011 10:23 am

what a timely answer-thanks.
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Re: US distance runners progressing? (updated data)

Postby DrJay » Fri Mar 04, 2011 11:07 am

Nice article.It sounds like we won't be seeing any more of McDougal at the national level.
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Re: US distance runners progressing? (updated data)

Postby DrJay » Fri Mar 04, 2011 11:09 am

Conor Dary wrote:
DrJay wrote:I wonder what these #s would look like for the Brits?


How about non existent, or at best on life support.


I miss seeing "GB" peppered through the TAFNEWS middle/distance performance lists.
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Re: US distance runners progressing?

Postby DrJay » Tue Jul 16, 2013 7:34 pm

Been meaning to do this for awhile. Revised numbers, adding 2011 and 2012 to the last table above. Four year periods ending in Olympic years, average of the 10th, 20th, and 40th fastest US performer for each of the four years in each four year period. I did not go back and look at the world performers. Maybe someday soon. Across the board improvement, though not by as much as I expected is some events, especially the 5K, and not by as much as I hoped in many of them. (One thing I learned, laying the '12 and '13 Annual Issues side by side, is that the layout is exactly the same each year, page by page....makes the job easier, something to do with Henry Ford...and they just rearrange the names of the Kenyans in the steeple....)

1500__10______20_____40
81-84 3:38.5__3:40.3__3:42.9
01-04 3:39.8__3:41.5__3:43.2
05-08 3:38.5__3:40.7__3:42.6
09-12 3:36.7__3:38.8__3:41.5

Steeple_10_____20_____40
81-84 8:30.3__8:38.8__8:48.0
01-04 8:30.0__8:40.4__8:51.8
05-08 8:35.1__8:40.7__8:52.8
09-12 8:33.2__8:40.1__8:47.9

5000___10______20______40
81-84 13:32.8__13:40.7__13:50.1
01-04 13:34.7__13.41.3__13:52.0
05-08 13:25.5__13:36.2__13:47.6
09-12 13:25.2__13:33.2__13:43.3

10,000__10______20______40
81-84 28:20.3__28:47.8__28:57.0
01-04 28:28.9__28:47.0__29:13.9
05-08 28:15.3__28:35.8__28:58.5
09-12 28:14.7__28:30.6__28:54.5

Marathon_10_____20______40
81-84 2:12:17__2:13:36__2:15.31
01-04 2:15:44__2:19:15__2:21:40
05-08 2:15:48__2:18:17__2:21:15
09-12 2:15:03__2:16:28__2:18:46
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Re: US distance runners progressing?

Postby Dutra5 » Tue Jul 16, 2013 8:21 pm

DrJay wrote:Been meaning to do this for awhile. Revised numbers, adding 2011 and 2012 to the last table above. Four year periods ending in Olympic years, average of the 10th, 20th, and 40th fastest US performer for each of the four years in each four year period. I did not go back and look at the world performers. Maybe someday soon. Across the board improvement, though not by as much as I expected is some events, especially the 5K, and not by as much as I hoped in many of them. (One thing I learned, laying the '12 and '13 Annual Issues side by side, is that the layout is exactly the same each year, page by page....makes the job easier, something to do with Henry Ford...and they just rearrange the names of the Kenyans in the steeple....)

1500__10______20_____40
81-84 3:38.5__3:40.3__3:42.9
01-04 3:39.8__3:41.5__3:43.2
05-08 3:38.5__3:40.7__3:42.6
09-12 3:36.7__3:38.8__3:41.5

Steeple_10_____20_____40
81-84 8:30.3__8:38.8__8:48.0
01-04 8:30.0__8:40.4__8:51.8
05-08 8:35.1__8:40.7__8:52.8
09-12 8:33.2__8:40.1__8:47.9

5000___10______20______40
81-84 13:32.8__13:40.7__13:50.1
01-04 13:34.7__13.41.3__13:52.0
05-08 13:25.5__13:36.2__13:47.6
09-12 13:25.2__13:33.2__13:43.3

10,000__10______20______40
81-84 28:20.3__28:47.8__28:57.0
01-04 28:28.9__28:47.0__29:13.9
05-08 28:15.3__28:35.8__28:58.5
09-12 28:14.7__28:30.6__28:54.5

Marathon_10_____20______40
81-84 2:12:17__2:13:36__2:15.31
01-04 2:15:44__2:19:15__2:21:40
05-08 2:15:48__2:18:17__2:21:15
09-12 2:15:03__2:16:28__2:18:46


The 5000 will be about 10 secs faster at #10 this year...at least.
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Re: US distance runners progressing? (updated data)

Postby 26mi235 » Wed Jul 17, 2013 10:22 am

Last year 8:3x got only 7th in the Big Ten meet and all were Americans; and this was a championship race that had a big impact on the team race.
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Re: US distance runners progressing? (updated data)

Postby 26mi235 » Wed Jul 17, 2013 10:30 am

exdrake wrote:That's a lot of time and effort to determine we suck at steeple. Huling excepted.


Interesting comment from 2011 since a year later 2 seconds were hacked of the record, and as I noted above, 8:3x got only about 7th at the Big Ten meet and all were Americans.


It is also looking down a layer at what was happening to high school distance running in the period that kicked off this thread. There, the sport had recovered from its doldrums of the 1990s; I will Aaron fill in details, but the likes of Ritz, Teg, Webb were just the tip of the iceberg that indicated a sea-change from the prior decade+ of decline.
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Re: US distance runners progressing? (updated data)

Postby DrJay » Tue Aug 13, 2013 7:40 pm

Though I didn't include the 800 in the stats, I think of it as a distance event rather than a sprint. So with Symmonds' 800 silver tonight, maybe time to put down all the names of active American 800m-on-up runners with Olympic or World Champs medals. The list is getting longer.

Symmonds
Manzano
Rupp
Centrowitz
Simpson
Rowbury
Flanagan
Lagat
Goucher
Keflezighi
Kastor

Teg and Montano had oh-so-close and Solomon kinda-close 4ths.

Would be really cool if we could add Cain and/or Jager by week's end.
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Re: US distance runners progressing? (updated data)

Postby TN1965 » Tue Aug 13, 2013 8:48 pm

Montano and Martinez have better shots than Cain. And I'd be much more delighted to see either of them winning a medal. Not that I dislike Cain. But she will have more opportunities in future than the other two.
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Re: US distance runners progressing? (updated data)

Postby DrJay » Wed Aug 14, 2013 2:37 am

Yes. Totally spaced the w800.
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Re: US distance runners progressing? (updated data)

Postby DrJay » Sun Aug 18, 2013 9:16 am

And now Martinez.

Martinez
Symmonds
Manzano
Rupp
Centrowitz (2)
Simpson (2)
Rowbury
Flanagan
Lagat (a bunch)
Goucher
Keflezighi
Kastor
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Re: US distance runners progressing? (updated data)

Postby TN1965 » Sun Aug 18, 2013 8:18 pm

USA placed at least one runner in top eight in men's 800, 1500, 5000, 10000 and 3000SC. And the ONLY country to do so. (Kenya didn't have any one in 800, and Ethiopia not in 3000SC.)

USA also placed at least one runner in women's 800, 1500, 5000 and 10000. The only other country to do so is Kenya. (Ethiopia did not have any one in 800.) Coburn's injury left the USA without a quality runner in 3000SC.

If we score countries by NCAA format (10-8-6, etc.) here are the top five in distance events (800-marathon).

Men: 1. KEN 69, 2. ETH 53, 3. USA 32, 4. UK 24, 5. UGA 10.
Women: 1. KEN 80, 2. ETH 51, 3. USA 27, 4. RUS 15, 5. JPN 14.
Total: 1. KEN 149, 2. ETH 104, 3. USA 59, 4. UK 29, 5. JPN 17.
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Re: US distance runners progressing? (updated data)

Postby DrJay » Sat Nov 16, 2013 7:43 am

The US Distance Corps Getting Younger thread reminded me to add 2013 times to this list. I'll try to update it each year.

1500__10______20_____40
81-84 3:38.5__3:40.3__3:42.9
01-04 3:39.8__3:41.5__3:43.2
05-08 3:38.5__3:40.7__3:42.6
09-12 3:36.7__3:38.8__3:41.5
2013_ 3:34.9__3:37.3__3:39.9

Steeple_10_____20_____40
81-84 8:30.3__8:38.8__8:48.0
01-04 8:30.0__8:40.4__8:51.8
05-08 8:35.1__8:40.7__8:52.8
09-12 8:33.2__8:40.1__8:47.9
2013_ 8:32.6__8:40.9__8:47.8

5000___10______20______40
81-84 13:32.8__13:40.7__13:50.1
01-04 13:34.7__13.41.3__13:52.0
05-08 13:25.5__13:36.2__13:47.6
09-12 13:25.2__13:33.2__13:43.3
2013_ 13:14.2__13:29.1__13:41.7

10,000__10______20______40
81-84 28:20.3__28:47.8__28:57.0
01-04 28:28.9__28:47.0__29:13.9
05-08 28:15.3__28:35.8__28:58.5
09-12 28:14.7__28:30.6__28:54.5
2013_ 28:30.4__28:53.5__29:16.6

Marathon_10_____20______40
81-84 2:12:17__2:13:36__2:15.31
01-04 2:15:44__2:19:15__2:21:40
05-08 2:15:48__2:18:17__2:21:15
09-12 2:15:03__2:16:28__2:18:46
2013_ 2:17:05__2:19:21__2:22:53
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Re: US distance runners progressing? (updated data)

Postby booond » Sat Nov 16, 2013 8:16 am

Thanks for posting. One year matched against four isn't a fair fight but the Marathon numbers continue to jog in the wrong direction.
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