What's Up at Runner's World?


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Re: What's Up at Runner's World?

Postby MJD » Fri Oct 24, 2003 1:03 pm

>No Name, very well stated. I'm with you
>100%.

I'm putting words in No Name's mouth here but I agree with him too and yet you and I don't(or maybe we do). The most important part of No Name's post(to me) and how I look at it is this:

"does everything he can with the tools he's been given."

I don't think most of the 12 minute milers are. Some might be but very few IMHO.
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Re: What's Up at Runner's World?

Postby MJD » Fri Oct 24, 2003 1:05 pm

>My rule of thumb for what constitutes a runner or
>a jogger was this hypothetical: "If you could
>win an Olympic gold medal, but the price you
>would have to pay is that you could never run or
>race for pleasure again, would you take the deal?
>You could run while playing tennis, soccer, or
>any other sport, but you could never again 'just
>go for a run', let alone race. Would you do
>it?" Invariably, the people who considered
>themselves competitive runners (regardless of
>how good) would say yes, and the joggers would
>say no.


By this definition I've always been a jogger then.
Possible I suppose.
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Re: What's Up at Runner's World?

Postby stevehj197 » Sat Oct 25, 2003 3:12 am

somehow the word "competitive" has gotten slipped in here. We are not trying to differentiate between "competitive runners" and "joggers", but between "runners" and "joggers." Big difference.
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Re: What's Up at Runner's World?

Postby larwood » Sat Oct 25, 2003 7:12 am

Once in the early eighties in Boulder a group of us were doing repeat 800's on a residential street. A few of us were averaging 2:20 or so and Stan Mavis and Alan Sharsu were running under 2:10. During the middle of one a kid who had been sitting on the sidewalk, suddenly screams "you guys are the fastest joggers I have ever seen!".
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Re: What's Up at Runner's World?

Postby Guest » Sun Oct 26, 2003 4:31 am

This is reasonably funny:

"See, I cover athletes for a semi-living. And most of you people don't look anything like them."


http://www.torontostar.com/NASApp/cs/Co ... 0599109774
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Re: What's Up at Runner's World?

Postby Guest » Sun Oct 26, 2003 4:48 am

Thank you for that link. What a wonderful column! (Yes, there are totally sedentary track nuts out there and I'm proud to be among them, but I normally keep my pride to myself because I know I'm going to be drowned out by the chorus of runners-joggers who want to either dis me or convert me.)

What I don't understand is why everyone, when learning of my interst in track, asks if I was ever a competitive runner. If I were an ice hockey fan, would people ask if I ever played hockey? I doubt it--where I grew up and still live, nobody plays hockey. NFL stadiums are filled every Sunday, mostly by people who've never donned a football helmet. So why do track fans have to be runners?

I'm afraid that the answer, by the way, is that to most people here in the US, track is so out of the mainstream that people cannot imagine any other reason why anyone should follow the sport. I confess that if I met someone who was an avid fan of a really minor sport like fencing, I'd just assume that they once fenced. Sad to think that this is the state of our sport.

At any rate, whether or not you are a runner/jogger, read the column linked above and know that she speaks for many of us.
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Re: What's Up at Runner's World?

Postby tafnut » Sun Oct 26, 2003 6:05 am

The irony of this statement:

"See, I cover athletes for a semi-living. And most of you people don't look anything like them."

is that we look a whole lot more like athletes than the rotundities that deride us. Every gut I see hanging over a belt, every flabby arm and thigh, every love-handle, every butt dragging in the sand, convinces me more and more that I shall run till I die, and if that is to be in a Fixxian pool of sweat, so be it.
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Re: What's Up at Runner's World?

Postby Guest » Mon Nov 03, 2003 3:11 am

"This point was driven home to me last Sunday, when, about Mile 18 in the Marine Corps Marathon in Washington, I humped my aching bones past a woman who was yakking on her cellphone."

This is the friend referred to in the above article:

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/ ... Blatchford
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