What's next for Maria Mutola


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What's next for Maria Mutola

Postby wonder1st » Fri Sep 26, 2003 11:16 am

In the last meet on ESPN.
One of the announcers stated Maria Mutola, has done just about everything in the 800, but break the work record. Does anyone think, the media is going to try and set up Maria Mutola to think she should start trainning specificly for the world record?
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Re: What's next for Maria Mutola

Postby Arnie » Fri Sep 26, 2003 11:30 am

I think she should break the 800m record and then move up to the 1500m. She's strong enough to run some great times at 1500m, the event could use a shot in the arm.
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Re: What's next for Maria Mutola

Postby Guest » Fri Sep 26, 2003 11:33 am

Interesting turn of phrase, since "shot in the arm" is probably what propelled all the recent WR setters in the women's 1500.
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Re: What's next for Maria Mutola

Postby wonder1st » Fri Sep 26, 2003 1:40 pm

They don't shoot in the arm.
Don't the distance runners the use, use EPO...
as does most of the world class bike riders?
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Re: What's next for Maria Mutola

Postby Piglet » Fri Sep 26, 2003 2:10 pm

I think she should break the 800m record<<

When was the last time anyone ran sub 1:54?

Sub 1:55?

The 800 record would be very, very hard to beak by a clean athlete...
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Re: What's next for Maria Mutola

Postby michael lewis » Fri Sep 26, 2003 2:19 pm

There have only been 2 sub-1:54 clockings, the last being the 1:53.28 WR in 83 which broke the 1:53.43 WR from Moscow. The last sub 1:55 was Quirot's 1:54.82 to beat Mutola (1:55.29) in 97. Quirot's PR is 1:54.44 from 89. Kratochvilova, aside from her WR, had only one other sub 1:55, a 1;54.68 to win the initial WC in Helsinki 83.
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Re: What's next for Maria Mutola

Postby Guest » Sun Sep 28, 2003 2:41 pm

Mutola will lose next year
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Re: What's next for Maria Mutola

Postby Guest » Sun Sep 28, 2003 4:02 pm

Yeah I am sure she will, probably to a male at a training camp somewhere....
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Re: What's next for Maria Mutola

Postby Guest » Mon Sep 29, 2003 5:15 am

nah Big Mac just watch and see
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Re: What's next for Maria Mutola

Postby wonder1st » Mon Sep 29, 2003 7:49 am

I think it will be very hard to beat Maria.. but if she is beat, it will be by that young lady that took 2nd at the worlds in the 1500 meters... she wanted to race Maria at the World Finals.. but they wanted her to run the 1500 again.. so I think she may have something for Maria.. we will see.
It doesn't matter if she beats her at a local meet.. it only matters if the 1500 meter runner can beat her at the Olympics.
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Re: What's next for Maria Mutola

Postby Guest » Mon Sep 29, 2003 8:18 am

I don't think any of todays crop of half milers have what is necessary to beat Mutola.... Speed!!

The last individual with those credentials Quirot.

Once she races to win and is not concerned about a fast time she will always beat the current crop easily.

Probably if Ana Guevara trained for the event...maybe then we might have a race.
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Re: What's next for Maria Mutola

Postby wonder1st » Mon Sep 29, 2003 8:53 am

I really don't think Ana G. has what it will take to beat Maria.... I think Maria could break 50. in the 400... and then Ana would have something to worry about.. Mutola is just way to strong...
Maria has rolled out a great time in the 1000 meters I think the only thing that is missing from Maria's list is a Great 400 meter time..
Now that is what I want to see Maria run.
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Re: What's next for Maria Mutola

Postby Guest » Mon Sep 29, 2003 10:04 am

You are forgetting that Ana G is a converted half miler.

At her current level do you really believe a 58s first lap or 57s first lap will cause her any discomfort.

Think again.
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Re: What's next for Maria Mutola

Postby Guest » Mon Sep 29, 2003 10:22 am

Yeah but 58, or 57 is nothing to maria who can at will run 55 for the first lap and might be able to follow it with a 59 if pushed...
I think if Ana tried running 57. she would only be able to follow that with a 61-62 she has no chance. Maria is the MAN. just kidding.
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Re: What's next for Maria Mutola

Postby Guest » Mon Sep 29, 2003 12:46 pm

I keep reading these insinuations about Ana on various boards. There is no truth to the suggestion that women shouldn't have an "adams apple"

Granted, hers is significant.
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Re: What's next for Maria Mutola

Postby Guest » Mon Sep 29, 2003 8:26 pm

>Mutola will lose next year

Mutala probably will get beat. I have to admit, though. Mutola and Guevara are the two toughest dudes in women's track.
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Re: What's next for Maria Mutola

Postby Guest » Tue Sep 30, 2003 6:07 am

"You are forgetting that Ana G is a converted half miler.
At her current level do you really believe a 58s first lap or 57s first lap will cause her any discomfort.
Think again."

It's usually not that simple. Guevara certainly has the necessary sprint speed but she probably lacks the strenghth to run a strong enough second quarter.

Sure she used to be a half miler, but "converted" is the operative word in your statement: she doesn't train for that event any more.

Maria is an elite half-miler; Ana is an elite quarter-miler. The elite half-miler will almost always beat the elite quarter-miler in the half mile, despite the quarter-miler's speed. I've seen tons of races where quarter milers move up and run the half mile, and they almost always get beaten by the real half-milers whose bodies are just more ready for that longer distance.
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Re: What's next for Maria Mutola

Postby wonder1st » Tue Sep 30, 2003 7:11 am

Great example. I was going to state that as well this morning. A great example of that would be Jearl Miles-Clark. She was great at 400 meters,
she is now a good 800 meter runner. I don't think she will be able to beat Maria. I think the only think that can beat Mutola at this point is the clock. Maybe one day a runner will come along who can run 1:53. and push Maria to train harder. For now it seems she is only trainning hard enough to be the best in the world. Not set any records. Other then that 1000 meter world Record attempt.
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Re: What's next for Maria Mutola

Postby Guest » Tue Sep 30, 2003 10:07 am

I hear what you all are saying but I did qualify my original comment by saying " if Ana trained for the event."

I would also like to remind you that the world record holder was a converted quarter miler with a PR of 47.99. Irrespective of how strong you are you still need that kind of speed in order to challenge the world record something which Mutola has been unable to do.
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Re: What's next for Maria Mutola

Postby wonder1st » Tue Sep 30, 2003 11:31 am

Well all I can say is 47.99 is not 48.89... and remember there is a reason why she left the 800 in the first place.. I used to run 800 meters I know I can run it well now when I go back to racing it, but I don't think I will ever run it as fast as I had before. Remember back when that young lady ran 47.99 and transformed to the 800 things were a lot diferent. Today there are more rules and limits.
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Re: What's next for Maria Mutola

Postby Piglet » Tue Sep 30, 2003 11:48 pm

I would also like to remind you that the world record holder was a converted quarter miler with a PR of 47.99. Irrespective of how strong you are you still need that kind of speed in order to challenge the world record something which Mutola has been unable to do. <<

This isn't necessarily so. The current WR holder was a 400/800 type---incredibly strong on speed, lacking in endurance. But if the next female 800 WR holder is a Seb Coe miler type (bests of 46.8 for 400 and 1:41.7 for 800), she'll only "need" to be able run 52.0 for 400 meters to run 1:53.0...
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Re: What's next for Maria Mutola

Postby Powell » Wed Oct 01, 2003 12:45 am

True - it's the balance between speed and endurance that's important. Mutola is a good 400 runner (51.37 PB) and a world-class 1500 runner (4:01.50 - and I'm sure she could run quite a bit faster if she tackled it more seriously).
If you think Jolanda Ceplak, being only a 53/4:02 runner, was able to run 1:55.19, then Mutola should be capable of doing quite a bit better. Not sure about 1:53.28, but she could at least come within a second of it. Nowadays she just doesn't seem to be willing to run fast, only do whatever it takes to win.
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Re: What's next for Maria Mutola

Postby Pierre-Jean » Wed Oct 01, 2003 4:18 am

Of course someone can beat Mutola, but a sub1:55 form is required to do so. Last year, Calatayud managed to do so, but it was a strange race, the pacemaker went off in a 54.16 first pace, Mutola did the mistake to follow her (55.2), while Calatayud did her race in a more reasonable pace (56.0), and caught Mutola in the last straight. Actually, Mutola lost ebcause she made a mistake.
For several years, Maria Mutola was able to run around 1:55.0 if she's pushed, and i don't see why that will change in 2004.
Her best ever race occure in Zürich in 1994, where she ran 1:55.19 alone under a hard rain, she was clearly able to run around 1:54.5, but i think also that Quirot may have been a little faster in her Barcelona'89 1:54.44 with a slower early pace, even though i doubt a sub 1:54.
About the WR, it was set by a 47.99 girl, but she was able to run much faster than her 1:53.28 for several reasons: this 800m race wasn't scheduled, she was injured at that time and decided to avoid 400m or 200m, so she choosed the 800m that day. She only realized that she was on the way to break the WR in the last straight, she was alone in the track as second finisher clocked +2min. I think Kratochvílová had a 1:52 low form in Helsinki. Today 800m runners can feel lucky in a certain way that Kratochvílová never made a serious attempt at this event in 83, even if 1:53.28 is hard enough to beat!!!
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Re: What's next for Maria Mutola

Postby michael lewis » Wed Oct 01, 2003 5:14 am

Maria vs Ana at 600 meters.
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Re: What's next for Maria Mutola

Postby Guest » Wed Oct 01, 2003 6:04 am

< About the WR, it was set by a 47.99 girl, but she was able to run much faster than her 1:53.28 for several reasons. The 800m race wasn't scheduled she was injured at that time and decided to avoid 400m or 200m, so she chose to run the 800m that day. She only realized that she was on the way to break the WR in the last straight, she was alone on the track as th second finisher clocked + 2 min. Todays 800m runners can feel lucky in a certain way that Kratochvilova never made a serious attempt at this event in 83, even if 1:53.28 is hard enough to beat >

FINALLY !!!! Someone who knows what he is talking about. I rest my case.
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Re: What's next for Maria Mutola

Postby Pierre-Jean » Wed Oct 01, 2003 10:42 am

A 600m between Mutola and Guevara would be very interesting. But if they stay shoulder to shoulder during all the race with an even pace, Mutola would win thanks to her resistance in the homestraight. The only chance for Guevara is to run like a 400m runner, with a good lead over Mutola during most of the race, even if Guevara is struggeling at the end.
But don't know who would win! I put my money on Guevara if she takes risks...

If Guevara wants to beat Mutola at 800m, she needs to enter in a specific program, because her 800m background is behind her now, and if she comes back to 800, success is not guaranted.
Anyway, we are in a strange situation where we have to look at non-800m specialists in order to find someone to beat Mutola!
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Re: What's next for Maria Mutola

Postby Vencio » Thu Oct 02, 2003 8:44 am

Mutola originally always said she would retire after Athens but now I read that she would like to continue to defend the world title in 2005, but if the opposition is anything like it was this year then she could remain at the top of the event for many more years. Age is no barrier, look at Jacobs.

As to people beating her, yes someone like Ayhan might do it once but very few people beat her consistently: Graf, Masterkova, Quirot, Formanova. And even then they were always close races.

I think the 1500m should be next for Mutola: sub 4 should be manageable.
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Re: What's next for Maria Mutola

Postby wonder1st » Thu Oct 02, 2003 11:32 am

I feel and I'm somewhat happy with what everyone is saying about this thread, (Very interesting) But I posed the question, "does anyone think the media is going to try and set up Maria Mutola, to THINK she should start trainning specificly for the world record?". No one has answered that question yet.
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Re: What's next for Maria Mutola

Postby Natasha » Thu Oct 02, 2003 11:43 am

I don't think the media has all that much influence on what Maria Mutola will think. She is a very smart and well positioned athlete for the future. Hopefully, she will run her best in her best events. I'm curious as to why you may feel the media has any influence on her endeavours?
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Re: What's next for Maria Mutola

Postby wonder1st » Thu Oct 02, 2003 12:11 pm

Like a lot of athletes, Maria can be lead to believe something is possible, and start working toward it. As well, Like a lot of athletes Maria can ignore what is being said and stay working on what is her current plan.
Like for the longest time now, the media seems to be saying Gail Devers should be ready to let the new "" young runners take the stage. Another case where the media help the athletes change forcus is with Michael J. and Moe Green, at the 2000 O.T. where the media built them up so high against each other in the 200 meters that neither athlete was about to focus and follow there job at hand, to advance to the Olympic games.
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Re: What's next for Maria Mutola

Postby Guest » Thu Oct 02, 2003 12:19 pm

" Another case where the media help the athletes change forcus is with Michael J. and Moe Green, at the 2000 O.T. where the media built them up so high against each other in the 200 meters that neither athlete was about to focus and follow there job at hand, to advance to the Olympic games. "

I was very surprised that Michael Johnson allowed himself to be drawn into that game.

Johnson was never a trash-talker; he always let his running do the talking.

The 2000 trials was the only instance when he talked alot of trash, and look what happened in the 200.

Runners should stick to their own games; trash-talking was not Johnson's game, but it was Greene's game (even though it didn't work for Greene in the 200 at the 2000 Trials either).
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Re: What's next for Maria Mutola

Postby Grazer » Thu Oct 02, 2003 9:40 pm

It's silly to say that there's no other W800 speed around. Only 18 months ago, Ceplak and Graf both ran sub-1.56 INDOORS! They have both had injury problems, but they'll be back.

It's also silly to accuse Mutola of not trying to run fast. She had by far the heaviest schedule of all runners at distances longer than 400, doing the entire Golden League, WC, Grand Prix Finale and Moscow, while Guevara, Sanchez and El G took it easy (relatively). In addition, she pushed herself to an all-alone sub-1:56 in Madrid and attempted a 1000 WR (London?).

Original question: I seem to remember seeing a quote from her about wanting to chase the WR. She get a lot of press here in Austria because of Graf. But I can't imagine her changing her training, when her chief goal must be Olympic gold.
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Re: What's next for Maria Mutola

Postby Pierre-Jean » Fri Oct 03, 2003 1:37 am

Actually, from her interviews, Mutola thought in the 93-94 years that WR was possible. Now, years after yearsn her thoughts have changed a little, and she has nearly come to the conclusion that the WR is out of hand for her.
Alos, 1:57 is enough to win her races, and it's asking too much for her to sub1:55 or much better as she's racing too much to do that. Mutola is a pro athlete, and needs money (i see nothing wrong here), but too much competition kills peak form.
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