Jon wrote:And, more importantly, are Hasay & Twell the non-african future of women's middle-distance running?
It is quite clear that barring any one of a million things that can cut short a mid-distance career, especially for teenage girls, Hasay is certainly part of the future of US mid-distance running. On the other hand, seeing that the new w2-Mile record holder ran the second mile in 4:25, that may not mean that much on the world senior stage . . .
It's interesting how these things go. Glenda Reiser ran 4:06.. in the heats of the Munich Olympic Games in 1972. I think she was still short of her 18th birthday. That was the fastest she ever ran, so who knows what the future holds - it's fun to speculate of course, but nothing too serious.
Good one, GH, you s**t disturber, you...
So, what about a handicap system?
Betting, of course, takes place and the odds will be the great equalizer.
If you(or an ancestor) is a Kalenjin, you are even odds. Rift Valley, but not
Kalenjin - 2/1, other Kenyans/Ethiopians - 3/1, and so on, until the 4 corners
of the Earth are reached. Could be a fun board-game
another young girl to watch is almenesh defar who made her international debut yesterday in the indoor 3k at stuttgart and she ran 921, she had a serious back problem last year but seems to have overme that, i dont have her birthdate, but another poster said 1993 which would make her 14 or 15 and yes she is meseret defar's sister.
doug091463 wrote:another young girl to watch is almenesh defar who made her international debut yesterday in the indoor 3k at stuttgart and she ran 921, she had a serious back problem last year but seems to have overme that, i dont have her birthdate, but another poster said 1993 which would make her 14 or 15 and yes she is meseret defar's sister.
To avoid the 'whisper' error, I posted that the story said that she was 15 and hence listed birth year of 1983 was probably a typo (instead of 1993), but I have nothing to go on other than the 15 year age in the story on the 3000.
Amongst those on the initial list, Bobocel (9.25,70 steeple), who competed in two Olympic Games and two world championships, has been a successful transferee into the senior ranks. She dropped down to 8.52,86 (3k indoors) this winter in Birmingham and won a DL steeple meeting last season, IIRC.
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aaronk wrote:In the above list of Cain's times, her 2013 1500 best should be 4:11.72, the time she ran enroute to her 4:28.25 mile. The 1500 was officially timed enroute!!
This is about showing where she is not some official record book. In this application it is much more useful to have the 1500 equivalent than the en-route time. The reason is that mile times do not inform a subset of those using the board.
One must crack a wry smile looking back on posts here in 2006 and 2007 with the copious references to Twell, Pidgeon, Purdue and one should be very wary of the over the top comments about Mary Cain so beloved of a certain poster. Pidgeon will do nowt, Purdue the same more than likely and Twell will likley struggle for a long time to get back to where she was 5 years ago; injuries play a part maybe but too much training and too much pressure and too much gab about these wunderkinds; even the East Africans get blow outs with the 17/18/19 year olds not infrequently, I suspect. As for Hasay time will tell what she may do but lets face it none of the young female athletes mentioned here or in the States is likely to be anywhere near the best East Africans juniors.
I am still sceptical about McCain and her future in the next few years, despite the hopes for her in years to come. The only truly outstanding non- East african talent that springs to mind is Zola Budd.
There's a 5 minute YouTube video (can't produce the link, but search for it!)...a 1992 interview with BOTH Budd and Slaney.....the interview about that "incident"!! Fascinating! Slaney still blamed Budd. Budd refuses to say what she thinks of Mary. The questioner TRIES to stir controversy...but Budd and Slaney remain as stoic as they can....with frozen smiles.....and pretty much don't play the questioner's game!! Classic!! (I'd never seen this before!!) Look for it!!
Great memories of the best Budd years!! As a teen, there was none better....at least in the women's department!! (The African Revolution was yet to occur then!!)
Times of 3:59.96, 4:17.57, 5:33.15, 8:28.83, and 14:48.07. Times that ANY female would be happy with....in their CAREER!!
But what set Budd apart..... and the reason I say she was then better than Mary Cain is right now.... is WHO she ran against!!
She didn't shy away from the real HUGE international stars of the mid-80's.... Slaney, Kristiansen, Puica, Murray, Sly et al!! She ran in the BIG races....and WON...in record times!!
Cain is FANTASTIC.....but she has yet to race the SUPERSTARS of her events. Dibaba IS a superstar....but she's the ONLY one Cain has run in the same race with.....so far!!
Of course, Mary is just getting started in her "pro" career....and while I give all due respect to Sheila Reid, Sarah Bowman Brown, Abbey D'Agostino, Trenier Moser et al.....they are (not yet!!) anywhere near the stature of a Kristiansen or Puica or Slaney at their best!!
I will, of course, be following Cain's OUTdoor races with the utmost anticipation!!