A bit of news from Ukraine: Oleksandra Oliynyk (5 Jul 1993!), so still 13, won the recent U20 NC in Mykolaiv with 16:38.10! Is this a Euro age-13 best?
She ran 16:46.38 at the same champs last year, but on 28 July, so she was only just 13 then (no age-12 best!). She also has a best 3000 of 9:43.99 from the U18 NC last year.
I hope she doesn't fall victim to the current affliction of young Ukrainian girl distance runners to get a US college education (she's got plenty of years to go before that though!) It hasn't made them better athletes, and Ukraine doesn't have the depth of Russia or the UK to handle them not improving.
Steph Twell, the European junior cross country champion, has been mentioned briefly on this thread a couple times, but I’m bumping this to highlight her runs this summer season.
She has set PBs in all events:
800m – 2:06.15
1500m – 4:06.70
3000m – 8:53.34
5000m – 15:47.53
Road mile – 4:39
Half Mar – 77:27
Her times in the 1500m and 3000m are better than the US junior records (yet they only rank third on the UK all-time junior lists), and only one American junior has ever run faster than Twell’s 5000m time (we had two girls just later year run faster than 15:47!). Her half-marathon best would be a US junior record too, so you can imagine the kind of hype she’d be getting if she was USAnian.
And this is a girl who has only just turned 18 – she has another year left as a junior in which to potentially better these times!
She is entered in the women’s mile at the Brussels Golden League meeting. She looks to be on course to run around 4:30/4:35-ish.
IAAF Rule 141 defines "Youth" as any athlete of 16 or 17 years on 31st December in the year of the competition. That language permits competition by an athlete age 15 during a summertime World Youth Championships, but becoming age 16 before the year ends.
However, a summary briefing, released during the IAAF Council meetings in August at Osaka, included a recommendation from the IAAF School and Youth Commission: Do not allow any athlete under [age] 16 to participate in the World Youth Championships.
I've not yet seen the text of approved changes to the "IAAF Competition Rules 2008 - 2009"
There are several possibilities. One is that the definition of being 16 is the same as the competition year, not on the date of a meet. Another is that the age limit applies to the World Junior not World Youth meet (I got confused on this once in the past). Third, they just cut the population eligible for the meet by close to 25%.
Jon wrote:And, more importantly, are Hasay & Twell the non-african future of women's middle-distance running?
It is quite clear that barring any one of a million things that can cut short a mid-distance career, especially for teenage girls, Hasay is certainly part of the future of US mid-distance running. On the other hand, seeing that the new w2-Mile record holder ran the second mile in 4:25, that may not mean that much on the world senior stage . . .
It's interesting how these things go. Glenda Reiser ran 4:06.. in the heats of the Munich Olympic Games in 1972. I think she was still short of her 18th birthday. That was the fastest she ever ran, so who knows what the future holds - it's fun to speculate of course, but nothing too serious.
Good one, GH, you s**t disturber, you...
So, what about a handicap system?
Betting, of course, takes place and the odds will be the great equalizer.
If you(or an ancestor) is a Kalenjin, you are even odds. Rift Valley, but not
Kalenjin - 2/1, other Kenyans/Ethiopians - 3/1, and so on, until the 4 corners
of the Earth are reached. Could be a fun board-game
another young girl to watch is almenesh defar who made her international debut yesterday in the indoor 3k at stuttgart and she ran 921, she had a serious back problem last year but seems to have overme that, i dont have her birthdate, but another poster said 1993 which would make her 14 or 15 and yes she is meseret defar's sister.
doug091463 wrote:another young girl to watch is almenesh defar who made her international debut yesterday in the indoor 3k at stuttgart and she ran 921, she had a serious back problem last year but seems to have overme that, i dont have her birthdate, but another poster said 1993 which would make her 14 or 15 and yes she is meseret defar's sister.
To avoid the 'whisper' error, I posted that the story said that she was 15 and hence listed birth year of 1983 was probably a typo (instead of 1993), but I have nothing to go on other than the 15 year age in the story on the 3000.
Amongst those on the initial list, Bobocel (9.25,70 steeple), who competed in two Olympic Games and two world championships, has been a successful transferee into the senior ranks. She dropped down to 8.52,86 (3k indoors) this winter in Birmingham and won a DL steeple meeting last season, IIRC.
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aaronk wrote:In the above list of Cain's times, her 2013 1500 best should be 4:11.72, the time she ran enroute to her 4:28.25 mile. The 1500 was officially timed enroute!!
This is about showing where she is not some official record book. In this application it is much more useful to have the 1500 equivalent than the en-route time. The reason is that mile times do not inform a subset of those using the board.
One must crack a wry smile looking back on posts here in 2006 and 2007 with the copious references to Twell, Pidgeon, Purdue and one should be very wary of the over the top comments about Mary Cain so beloved of a certain poster. Pidgeon will do nowt, Purdue the same more than likely and Twell will likley struggle for a long time to get back to where she was 5 years ago; injuries play a part maybe but too much training and too much pressure and too much gab about these wunderkinds; even the East Africans get blow outs with the 17/18/19 year olds not infrequently, I suspect. As for Hasay time will tell what she may do but lets face it none of the young female athletes mentioned here or in the States is likely to be anywhere near the best East Africans juniors.
I am still sceptical about McCain and her future in the next few years, despite the hopes for her in years to come. The only truly outstanding non- East african talent that springs to mind is Zola Budd.
There's a 5 minute YouTube video (can't produce the link, but search for it!)...a 1992 interview with BOTH Budd and Slaney.....the interview about that "incident"!! Fascinating! Slaney still blamed Budd. Budd refuses to say what she thinks of Mary. The questioner TRIES to stir controversy...but Budd and Slaney remain as stoic as they can....with frozen smiles.....and pretty much don't play the questioner's game!! Classic!! (I'd never seen this before!!) Look for it!!