International comparisons - Junior female distance runners


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Postby richxx87 » Sun Aug 20, 2006 6:02 am

Wow that seems like a lot of running mileage for young Jordan. And then add in the almost 15 mi/wk swimming and the bike, good gracious. I guess that's what needs to be done to make a champion and challenge the African juggernaut.

BTW,,, in relation to the young stars in the first part of this thread, Bobocel got silver in the steeple at WJC, Yuriko-chan got Bronze in the WJC1500, Pidgeon was a no-show, Daniela Fetcere did not appear in any start lists I could find and Hasay was deemed too young by the IAAF regulations.

Kenya completely dominated the distance medals (for gals and guys) and "won the meet" in terms of overall medals.
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Postby Quick Silver » Sun Aug 20, 2006 8:13 pm

Kenya completely dominated the distance medals


Well, they certainly didn't dominate the walks. And, indeed, my prediction about China back in May was amply fulfilled.

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Postby La_Spigola_Loca » Mon Aug 21, 2006 12:28 am

Is it OK if we compare international ordeals?
Jordan Hassay- couldn't go because she's born 1991, or in other words too young- a 15 year old. If she'd only compete for Bahrain, they'd first make her 27, then bring her back down to 18 Image
Emily Pidgeon- couldn't go because her big boss, i.e, UKA director, is a fat knob who's trying to show who has the biggest dick around, and has no qualms about settling personal scores with coaches who dare defy him through punishing those coaches' athletes.

It's too bad that our sport is all too often about the bureaucrats, not the athletes. And in this context, the Bahraini bureaucrats seem to be winning...
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Postby Daisy » Mon Aug 21, 2006 8:18 am

La_Spigola_Loca wrote:Emily Pidgeon- couldn't go because her big boss, i.e, UKA director, is a fat knob who's trying to show who has the biggest dick around, and has no qualms about settling personal scores with coaches who dare defy him through punishing those coaches' athletes.


Amazing, intially I was sceptical at the rabid criticism directed at UKA but this one make you wonder whats going on in the corridors of power. It sounds as if they might have lost their direction a little here.
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Postby tafnut » Thu Aug 24, 2006 8:30 am

Florida has a new star, Ashley Brasovan, a 15-year-old sophomore who just ran a 16:37 5K road race (certified, paved flat course)

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Postby mump boy » Thu Aug 24, 2006 9:43 am

Daisy wrote:
La_Spigola_Loca wrote:Emily Pidgeon- couldn't go because her big boss, i.e, UKA director, is a fat knob who's trying to show who has the biggest dick around, and has no qualms about settling personal scores with coaches who dare defy him through punishing those coaches' athletes.


Amazing, intially I was sceptical at the rabid criticism directed at UKA but this one make you wonder whats going on in the corridors of power. It sounds as if they might have lost their direction a little here.


oh please

emily didn't go because her coach and parents think she's something special who should be treated differntly to everyone else.

the rules where you attended the training camp with all your team mates or you didin't getr selected. for some reason emily is better than everyone else and the camp wasn't up to her high standards.

funny no one else seemed to have a problem
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Postby La_Spigola_Loca » Thu Aug 24, 2006 11:59 am

mump boy wrote:the rules where you attended the training camp with all your team mates or you didin't getr selected.


And the rules are always correct and just. Obey your betters. Sieg Heil.
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Postby truthmaker » Thu Aug 24, 2006 1:52 pm

"the rules where you attended the training camp with all your team mates or you didin't getr selected. for some reason emily is better than everyone else and the camp wasn't up to her high standards. "

Nowhere in the selection criteria does it say you have to attend their holding camp.

http://www.ukathletics.net/vsite/vnavsi ... st,00.html
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Postby EPelle » Sun Dec 10, 2006 3:52 am

Pidgeon finished fourth at the European Junior Cross Country Championships this morning. Seventeen-year-old junior Stephanie Twell won the championships. Ancuta Bobocel, the first athlete featured on the first page of this thread, finished third.

Twell, born 1989-08-17, ran 4.12,76/9.07,41 outdoors in 2006.

Hasay has her work cut out .
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Postby AS » Mon Mar 26, 2007 5:02 pm

Pidgeon managed 17th in the World X junior race:

http://www.iaaf.org/WXC07/results/gende ... index.html

She was beaten by a whole lot of Africans, a couple of Japanese runners and also a Brit two years her junior, - 15 year old Charlotte Purdue (d.o.b. 10 Jun 1991). What's the background on this new Brit hope?

Only other runner mentioned in this thread to compete in Mombassa was Aussie Lucy Starrat (d.o.b. 4 Feb 1990) who finished 34th.
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Postby AS » Mon Mar 26, 2007 5:16 pm

Australia has just named its World Youth Champs team for 2007. A few young middle distance prospect secured a spot:

http://www.athletics.com.au/community/n ... nnoucement

800m
Selma Kajan (d.o.b. 30 Jul 1991) 2.07.98

1500m
Chloe Tighe (d.o.b. 28 Sep 1990) 4.19.80
Melissa Duncan (d.o.b. 30 Jan 1990) 4.20.22

3000m Emily Brichacek (d.o.b 7 Jul 1990) 9.06.41
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Postby bad hammy » Mon Mar 26, 2007 7:17 pm

Wow, how did I miss this thread originally and then take my usual predictable shots at the 1600?????
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Postby EPelle » Mon Mar 26, 2007 10:29 pm

AS wrote:...15 year old Charlotte Purdue (d.o.b. 10 Jun 1991). What's the background on this new Brit hope?...

Looks like she started off by running a 5.05 1.500m at the the Southern Women:s League D-1 1.500m in 2004. Finished with 2.24,11/4.58,9 bests.

Ran 2.18,74/4.35,25/5.10,44y/10.12,24 (3.000m) in 2005
Ran 2.14,52/4.24,01/9.24,44/16.46,03/16.59 (road) in 2006
Recorded a 9.34,65i at the Norwich Union European Indoor Trials in february, a race won by Lisa Dobriskey in 8.55,22.
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Postby AS » Mon Mar 26, 2007 11:28 pm

EPelle wrote:
AS wrote:...15 year old Charlotte Purdue (d.o.b. 10 Jun 1991). What's the background on this new Brit hope?...

Looks like she started off by running a 5.05 1.500m at the the Southern Women:s League D-1 1.500m in 2004. Finished with 2.24,11/4.58,9 bests.

Ran 2.18,74/4.35,25/5.10,44y/10.12,24 (3.000m) in 2005
Ran 2.14,52/4.24,01/9.24,44/16.46,03/16.59 (road) in 2006
Recorded a 9.34,65i at the Norwich Union European Indoor Trials in february, a race won by Lisa Dobriskey in 8.55,22.


Excellent performance on Purdue's part to beat Pidgeon then as her PRs appear to be:
1500 Metres 4:17.83 Solihull 25 06 2005 (vs Purdue's 4.24)
One Mile 4:50.68 Oxford, GBR 06 05 2004 (vs 5.10)
3000 Metres 9:06.87 Twickenham 07 06 2006 (vs 9.24)
5000 Metres 15:41.00 Solihull 24 06 2006 (vs 16.46)

From http://www.iaaf.org/athletes/athlete=19 ... PopUp.html
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Postby doug091463 » Mon Mar 26, 2007 11:45 pm

another interesting finisher in the girls junior is genzabe dibaba born 1991 who is the younger sister of tirunesh and e. dibababa. genzabe dibaba was 5th and all the girls who beat her were 1-3 years older, hopefully she can someday be as good or better than her sisters.
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Postby nevetsllim » Mon Apr 09, 2007 1:19 pm

Running her 4th race in four days, Twell broke the national junior half-marathon record, with a time of 77:27.

http://www.ukathletics.net/press-centre ... rticle-11/
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Postby andyjgt » Tue Jun 26, 2007 1:24 pm

A bit of news from Ukraine: Oleksandra Oliynyk (5 Jul 1993!), so still 13, won the recent U20 NC in Mykolaiv with 16:38.10! Is this a Euro age-13 best?

She ran 16:46.38 at the same champs last year, but on 28 July, so she was only just 13 then (no age-12 best!). She also has a best 3000 of 9:43.99 from the U18 NC last year.

I hope she doesn't fall victim to the current affliction of young Ukrainian girl distance runners to get a US college education (she's got plenty of years to go before that though!) It hasn't made them better athletes, and Ukraine doesn't have the depth of Russia or the UK to handle them not improving.
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Postby Jon » Wed Jun 27, 2007 12:16 am

andyjgt wrote:A bit of news from Ukraine: Oleksandra Oliynyk (5 Jul 1993!), so still 13, won the recent U20 NC in Mykolaiv with 16:38.10! Is this a Euro age-13 best?
Yes, and by the slightest of margins.

Previous best was 16:38.51 by Latvia's Daniela Fetcere.
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Postby Jon » Wed Sep 12, 2007 7:58 am

Steph Twell, the European junior cross country champion, has been mentioned briefly on this thread a couple times, but I’m bumping this to highlight her runs this summer season.

She has set PBs in all events:
800m – 2:06.15
1500m – 4:06.70
3000m – 8:53.34
5000m – 15:47.53
Road mile – 4:39
Half Mar – 77:27

Her times in the 1500m and 3000m are better than the US junior records (yet they only rank third on the UK all-time junior lists), and only one American junior has ever run faster than Twell’s 5000m time (we had two girls just later year run faster than 15:47!). Her half-marathon best would be a US junior record too, so you can imagine the kind of hype she’d be getting if she was USAnian.

And this is a girl who has only just turned 18 – she has another year left as a junior in which to potentially better these times!

She is entered in the women’s mile at the Brussels Golden League meeting. She looks to be on course to run around 4:30/4:35-ish.
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Postby tafnut » Wed Sep 12, 2007 8:01 am

Jon wrote:Steph Twell . . .

Are we already 'over' Ms. Pidgeon? :o
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Postby Jon » Wed Sep 12, 2007 8:13 am

tafnut wrote:
Jon wrote:Steph Twell . . .
Are we already 'over' Ms. Pidgeon? :o
Old news:
http://mb.trackandfieldnews.com/discuss ... 500#321500
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Postby tafnut » Wed Sep 12, 2007 8:26 am



Out with the old, in with the new. That 'ashheap' gotta be getting kinda large by now! :twisted:
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Postby James Fields » Thu Sep 13, 2007 11:37 am

IAAF Rule 141 defines "Youth" as any athlete of 16 or 17 years on 31st December in the year of the competition. That language permits competition by an athlete age 15 during a summertime World Youth Championships, but becoming age 16 before the year ends.

However, a summary briefing, released during the IAAF Council meetings in August at Osaka, included a recommendation from the IAAF School and Youth Commission: Do not allow any athlete under [age] 16 to participate in the World Youth Championships.

I've not yet seen the text of approved changes to the "IAAF Competition Rules 2008 - 2009"
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Postby 26mi235 » Thu Sep 13, 2007 12:08 pm

There are several possibilities. One is that the definition of being 16 is the same as the competition year, not on the date of a meet. Another is that the age limit applies to the World Junior not World Youth meet (I got confused on this once in the past). Third, they just cut the population eligible for the meet by close to 25%.
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Postby Jon » Fri Sep 14, 2007 9:28 am

Jon wrote:She is entered in the women’s mile at the Brussels Golden League meeting. She looks to be on course to run around 4:30/4:35-ish.
Twell ran 4:28.16!! It's a UK age-18 best (not quite a UK junior record - that belongs to Zola Budd at 4:17.57!) and is seven seconds faster than Polly Plumer's US junior record!
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Postby 26mi235 » Fri Sep 14, 2007 10:26 am

Jon wrote:
Jon wrote:She is entered in the women’s mile at the Brussels Golden League meeting. She looks to be on course to run around 4:30/4:35-ish.
Twell ran 4:28.16!! It's a UK age-18 best (not quite a UK junior record - that belongs to Zola Budd at 4:17.57!) and is seven seconds faster than Polly Plumer's US junior record!


This is a cut above Hasay, although she is still only 15 (for a few more days).
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Postby Jon » Fri Sep 14, 2007 10:28 am

Can Hasay cut 14 seconds from her best within two years? And, more importantly, are Hasay & Twell the non-african future of women's middle-distance running?
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Postby 26mi235 » Fri Sep 14, 2007 10:44 am

Jon wrote:Can Hasay cut 14 seconds from her best within two years? And, more importantly, are Hasay & Twell the non-african future of women's middle-distance running?


14 seconds implies 4:23 or so, as she has a 4:16.98 (US Juniors) and 4:17.2 (W Youth2nd) for two at about 4:37 (without being pulled along by seniors).
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Postby Jon » Fri Sep 14, 2007 10:47 am

What does a 4:06.70 convert to? Britain has far fewer 'mile' races, so I'm not up on what all the conversions are.
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Postby 26mi235 » Fri Sep 14, 2007 11:08 am

"What does a 4:06.70 convert to? Britain has far fewer 'mile' races, so I'm not up on what all the conversions are."

4:26.44
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Postby bad hammy » Fri Sep 14, 2007 4:33 pm

Jon wrote:And, more importantly, are Hasay & Twell the non-african future of women's middle-distance running?

It is quite clear that barring any one of a million things that can cut short a mid-distance career, especially for teenage girls, Hasay is certainly part of the future of US mid-distance running. On the other hand, seeing that the new w2-Mile record holder ran the second mile in 4:25, that may not mean that much on the world senior stage . . .
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International Comparisons - Junior Female Distance Runners

Postby rasb » Fri Sep 14, 2007 5:02 pm

It's interesting how these things go. Glenda Reiser ran 4:06.. in the heats of the Munich Olympic Games in 1972. I think she was still short of her 18th birthday. That was the fastest she ever ran, so who knows what the future holds - it's fun to speculate of course, but nothing too serious. :)
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Postby gh » Fri Sep 14, 2007 5:06 pm

Jon wrote:Can Hasay cut 14 seconds from her best within two years? And, more importantly, are Hasay & Twell the non-african future of women's middle-distance running?


And is that a future worth talking about? (devil's advocate question)
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Postby rasb » Fri Sep 14, 2007 5:40 pm

:D Good one, GH, you s**t disturber, you...
So, what about a handicap system?
Betting, of course, takes place and the odds will be the great equalizer.
If you(or an ancestor) is a Kalenjin, you are even odds. Rift Valley, but not
Kalenjin - 2/1, other Kenyans/Ethiopians - 3/1, and so on, until the 4 corners
of the Earth are reached. Could be a fun board-game :)
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Postby Jon » Sat Sep 15, 2007 12:40 am

gh wrote:
Jon wrote:Can Hasay cut 14 seconds from her best within two years? And, more importantly, are Hasay & Twell the non-african future of women's middle-distance running?
And is that a future worth talking about? (devil's advocate question)
Ask Soboleva, Fomenko, Samitova, Tomashova et al.
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Postby doug091463 » Sun Feb 03, 2008 9:44 pm

another young girl to watch is almenesh defar who made her international debut yesterday in the indoor 3k at stuttgart and she ran 921, she had a serious back problem last year but seems to have overme that, i dont have her birthdate, but another poster said 1993 which would make her 14 or 15 and yes she is meseret defar's sister.
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Postby 26mi235 » Sun Feb 03, 2008 10:06 pm

doug091463 wrote:another young girl to watch is almenesh defar who made her international debut yesterday in the indoor 3k at stuttgart and she ran 921, she had a serious back problem last year but seems to have overme that, i dont have her birthdate, but another poster said 1993 which would make her 14 or 15 and yes she is meseret defar's sister.


To avoid the 'whisper' error, I posted that the story said that she was 15 and hence listed birth year of 1983 was probably a typo (instead of 1993), but I have nothing to go on other than the 15 year age in the story on the 3000.
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Postby pherekydes » Mon Feb 04, 2008 6:21 am

Another one for consideration:

Ciara Mageean, born March 1992, recently won the Irish SENIOR indoor 1500m title, with 4:24.07. She also ran 9:39 for 3k last year.
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Postby Matt » Mon Mar 31, 2008 5:39 am

What has happened to Emily Pidgeon this last 18 months? Yet another poor performance for her yesterday......
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Re: International comparisons - Junior female distance runne

Postby EPelle » Tue Mar 05, 2013 8:11 am

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Born: 3rd May, 1996
Height: N/A
Weight: N/A
Honours: 2012 WJch 6th 1500m


800m
2011 - 2.06,44 (2.09,62i)
2012 - 2.03,34 (2.07,26i)

1500m
2010 - 4.42,80
2011 - 4.17,84 (4.36,30i)
2012 - 4.11.01 (4.24,25i)
2013 - (4.11,72i)

Mile
2010 - 4.59,30 (5.05,41i)
2011 - 4.46,91 (5.07,01i)
2012 - 4.39,28 (4.48,98i)
2013 - (4.28,25i)

3000m
2009 - 10.14,12
2010 - 10.16,08 (10.27,80i)
2011 - 9.28,60
2012 - 9.32,20 (9.47,97i)
2013 - (9.04,51i)

2-Mile
2013 - (9.38,68i)

Amongst those on the initial list, Bobocel (9.25,70 steeple), who competed in two Olympic Games and two world championships, has been a successful transferee into the senior ranks. She dropped down to 8.52,86 (3k indoors) this winter in Birmingham and won a DL steeple meeting last season, IIRC.
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