Who's gonna run the 4x100


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Who's gonna run the 4x100

Postby Guest » Tue Aug 26, 2003 9:05 am

Eurosport is reporting that Montgomery left France. So we got no Montgomery, Greene, or Drummond??

Anyone know about this?
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Re: Who's gonna run the 4x100

Postby Guest » Tue Aug 26, 2003 9:13 am

"Eurosport is reporting that Montgomery left France. So we got no Montgomery, Greene, or Drummond??

Anyone know about this?"

Doesn't bother me; they're all running so badly (or misbehaving) that we're probably better off without them. That is, if we have enough people left in France for a full team. I propose drafting some of the 800/1500 guys.

Seriously though, Montgomery and Greene need to get their heads on straight and Drummond should simply quit the sport. Drummond's antics have always exceeded his performance and it has become a tired act, to say the least.
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Re: Who's gonna run the 4x100

Postby 6 5.5hjsteve » Tue Aug 26, 2003 9:17 am

what is this about "Montgomery leaving France."??!!

Is this a fact or a rumor ??!!

Is this with the approval of USATF ?

In any event, even if he has "left", is he coming back before Saturday's heats ??

How about pra
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Re: Who's gonna run the 4x100

Postby Guest » Tue Aug 26, 2003 9:20 am

Who cares? The Americans are not going to when anyway(4*100 or 4*400).
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Re: Who's gonna run the 4x100

Postby 6 5.5hjsteve » Tue Aug 26, 2003 9:22 am

SORRY, PUSHED A BUTTON BY MISTAKE...

to continue...

how about practices of the relay team ?

In short, WHAT IS GOING ON !!!!!!!??????
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Re: Who's gonna run the 4x100

Postby Guest » Tue Aug 26, 2003 9:23 am

Who cares? The Americans are not going to win anyway(4*100 or 4*400).
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Re: Who's gonna run the 4x100

Postby 6 5.5hjsteve » Tue Aug 26, 2003 9:27 am

having computer problems, sorry.

to continue, what is going on here ??!!

If he has indeed left, that is just unbelievable, even if he left just for a few days. Surely he was going to be a major player on the 400R team and they whould be practicing.

Montgomery is obviously in pretty darn good form, he ran fairly well.

I will hold back any major negative comments until this "leaving" is confirmed, but if it is...
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Re: Who's gonna run the 4x100

Postby Guest » Tue Aug 26, 2003 9:37 am

Yeh, the US wont win the 4x400 by more than 4 sec!
Suspect they will be able to throw together 4 guys who can break 38, also.
Women's 4x100 will be a breeze if they get the baton around. Despite no 400 finalists, The US women will be on the medal stand in the 4x400. All those HS and Collegiate 4x4's prepare US relay runner better than the rest of the world.
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Re: Who's gonna run the 4x100

Postby Guest » Tue Aug 26, 2003 9:48 am

The only problem I see is lack of bodies to run the rounds, not lack of talent left.
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Re: Who's gonna run the 4x100

Postby Guest » Tue Aug 26, 2003 2:29 pm

Curiously, I think the team is actually stronger now that they have left. John Capel and JJ Johnson are more than capable replacements and these guys have actually been practicing.

Greene is a cripple these days and I am always nervous with Tims handling of the baton.
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Re: Who's gonna run the 4x100

Postby gm » Tue Aug 26, 2003 2:34 pm

Capel, Williams, Patton and JJ Johnson are more than capable of running 37.7ish
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Re: Who's gonna run the 4x100

Postby 6 5.5hjsteve » Wed Aug 27, 2003 7:25 am

assuming Montgomery left town on his own, for no reason other than he is upset at his performance in the 100, that is just horrible behavior and a traitorous act, particularly with Greene hurt and Drummond gone. I thought he was on a TEAM (USA) and also on a RELAY TEAM ( 400r) and he just goes home???!!!

Quitter.

Marion, you sure can pick 'em.... now you are 0 for 2.
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Re: Who's gonna run the 4x100

Postby Guest » Wed Aug 27, 2003 11:20 am

Question, so if Greene, Monty, and Drummond left, can the US add people the the relay pool? I'm sure Gatlin and Mickey Grimes are still fresh and ready to run. A team of Grimes, Williams, Miller, and Gatlin can get the US through the rounds and semis with no problems. They can probably run sub 38 as well.
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Re: Who's gonna run the 4x100

Postby Guest » Wed Aug 27, 2003 11:26 am

When was the last time the US couldn't field a relay team. Was it 1972 (4x4)? Got a feeling Paris '03 is next. Peace.
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Re: Who's gonna run the 4x100

Postby Randy Treadway » Wed Aug 27, 2003 12:16 pm

I'd go with Capel for his curve start expertise, then Grimes, JJ Johnson and Gatlin.
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Re: Who's gonna run the 4x100

Postby Guest » Wed Aug 27, 2003 12:17 pm

>I'd go with Capel for his curve start expertise,
>then Grimes, JJ Johnson and Gatlin.>

I don't think Gatlin is in the pool.
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Re: Who's gonna run the 4x100

Postby Guest » Wed Aug 27, 2003 1:24 pm

If Montgomery really did leave for no reason other than he was upset (i.e. not injured, no family emergencies) then the USATF should suspend him. Just like they should have done last year to Seneca Lassiter after he rabbited for Legat in the World Cup. I'm sorry, but it's unconcionable to leave your teammates hanging like that.
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Re: Who's gonna run the 4x100

Postby Guest » Wed Aug 27, 2003 1:31 pm

doesnt really matter world sucked for sprinter this year
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Re: Who's gonna run the 4x100

Postby 6 5.5hjsteve » Wed Aug 27, 2003 2:01 pm

I am NOT trying to cause trouble here, but for the life of me I cannot how Monty could just go home, when he is the country's best 100 runner, and leave his country and his teammates in the lurch. To me, his behavior is worse than Drummond's and as far as I am concerned he is a disgrace and should be banned from next year's Olympic Team. Quitter. What would they do in the Army if a soldier deserted under fire and left his platoon alone without his assistance ?
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Re: Who's gonna run the 4x100

Postby Guest » Wed Aug 27, 2003 2:18 pm

>I am NOT trying to cause trouble here, but for
>the life of me I cannot how Monty could just go
>home, when he is the country's best 100 runner,
>and leave his country and his teammates in the
>lurch. To me, his behavior is worse than
>Drummond's and as far as I am concerned he is a
>disgrace and should be banned from next year's
>Olympic Team. Quitter. What would they do in
>the Army if a soldier deserted under fire and
>left his platoon alone without his assistance
>?
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Re: Who's gonna run the 4x100

Postby Guest » Wed Aug 27, 2003 2:23 pm

You fellows are berating Monty without knowing the facts.

When the relay teams were preparing he was on maternity duty. He probably was not considered.

In the Berlin meet the USA ran two squads and he was not a member of either.
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Re: Who's gonna run the 4x100

Postby Guest » Wed Aug 27, 2003 2:27 pm

tim montgomery even though he has the world record, he is no lock for 1 of the top 3 spots on the olympic team,if he is injured he should of made a statement himself or through his agent about why he left. i think we can win the 4x100 anyway with williams the 200 meter runners, i would even put a hurdler or long jumper in there, i would not concede this race, we can win.
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Re: Who's gonna run the 4x100

Postby 6 5.5hjsteve » Wed Aug 27, 2003 2:55 pm

I have always liked Tim Montgomery. If indeed he was never going to be on the relay squad, that is one thing..... is this correct or not ?

If indeed he was never going to run, I would like to see that publicly addressed by both him and USATF. And if that's the case, I certainly apologize for my previous comments.
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Re: Who's gonna run the 4x100

Postby Guest » Wed Aug 27, 2003 3:02 pm

kThe relay pool was set before the meet. The five remaining are John Capel, JJ Johnson, Darvis Patton, Coby Miller, and Bernard Williams. As I understand it, they are the only ones who can run, now that Greene, Montgomery, and Drummond are gone.
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Re: Who's gonna run the 4x100

Postby 6 5.5hjsteve » Wed Aug 27, 2003 3:32 pm

one more, then I'm going home:

"Relieved", you say he ".. probably was not considered.." ( for the relay ).

I seriously doubt this. He was in the pool of 8 runners, and if he was "not considered", I think we would have heard about it.

I have asked before... what does anyone KNOW about all this, not what any of us think ?

Newclip on the letsrun website certainly implied he left town on his own with no consultation with USATF.

Can't someone in a position of knowledge or authority make a statement on all this ?

And I am not worried about winning the stupid race. It's just a track meet. I just do not think it's right to skip town, unless he truly was not ever considered to run.
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Re: Who's gonna run the 4x100

Postby Randy Treadway » Wed Aug 27, 2003 3:56 pm

With regard to the question of whether Greene, Drummond and Montgomery can be replaced by somebody not previously identified as being part of the "pool", such as Allen Johnson (or Joey Woody!), I found the pertinent requirements in the meet's IAAF-published Team Guide.

I'll leave it up to you guys to figure out what it means, but it MIGHT mean that replacements are possible up until the 1st round begins.

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2.1.3. Final Confirmation of Relay Teams.
Each IAAF Member Federation can register one (1) team per relay event.
The relay teams may be made up of six (6) athletes at the most. Once a
relay team has started in a competition, only two additional athletes may be
used as substitutes in the composition of the team for subsequent rounds
(IAAF Rule 170.17). The four first competitors and all substitutes of a relay
team can only be the athletes registered for this event or any other event in
the competition. However, any athlete who does not participate in an event
once his or her final validation has been given or after qualifying via the
qualifying round or qualifying heats of this event cannot be registered as an
incoming runner or substitute (IAAF Rule 142.4).
The names and order of competitors in the relay events must be officially
announced before the start of each round of the competition. (IAAF Rule
170.18). Once an athlete who has competed in a previous round is replaced
by another incoming runner, he or she cannot return to the team. This
declaration must be made at Call Room no.1 by, at the latest, one hour
before the event’s planned start time. A Call Room Official will be assigned
to Call Room no.1 at specific times for this purpose.
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Re: Who's gonna run the 4x100

Postby Guest » Wed Aug 27, 2003 4:39 pm

What this sounds like to me is that by the day of the start of the relay, the U.S. has to announce it's final 6 people that will be running. The relay pool of 8 is only something that is designated by the U.S. as to ensure that there are enough bodies there in case of injury etc. to athletes competing in other events. By the time the event starts, only the six can be rotated to run. As of now it seems that there are five who were part of the original pool and I am only wondering if guys such as Gatlin and Grimes are in Europe at the moment.
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