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Re: El G has a fellow countryman in the 5k....could he be th

Postby Guest » Fri Aug 29, 2003 3:36 pm

I agree with
>everything except the last sentence. The 15/5 is
>almost unheard of. There is almost never
>cross-over especially at this level and in the
>same meet. Most guys are 5/10 specialists as you
>can see by looking at the rest of the field.
>
I see you said "almost unheard of", so there's always an exception, such as Venuste Niyongabo, a definite favourite for a medal in Atlanta in the 1500 after picking one up in 95, but realizing there was no way he was beating Morceli so instead picked up a 5000 gold rather handily.
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Postby dl » Fri Aug 29, 2003 4:14 pm

I heard from a reliable source today that the other Moroccan in the field, Goumri, doesn't get along with Hicham.
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Re: El G has a fellow countryman in the 5k....could he be th

Postby Guest » Fri Aug 29, 2003 5:25 pm

Bekele ran 4:04 last mile for his heat in the 5k. I have to believe the last mile in the final,barring bad weather,might go sub 4. If it goes tha fast, there are only 3-4 men entered in the race that can hang with that.
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Re: El G has a fellow countryman in the 5k....could he be th

Postby Guest » Fri Aug 29, 2003 6:00 pm

I see you said "almost
>unheard of", so there's always an exception,
>such as Venuste Niyongabo, a definite favourite
>for a medal in Atlanta in the 1500 after picking
>one up in 95, but realizing there was no way he
>was beating Morceli so instead picked up a 5000
>gold rather handily.

Yes, exceptions, and athletes who may have the potential to run both but opt out of one to train for the other, and potential medalists, but to come through with 15/5 gold in the same championships in 2003? Wow!

It would go down as one of the best doubles, probably the best double, in the history of the sport.
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Re: El G has a fellow countryman in the 5k....could he be th

Postby Guest » Sat Aug 30, 2003 4:18 am

It would go down
>as one of the best doubles, probably the best
>double, in the history of the sport.

Yes, I'll agree it would be one of the most impressive doubles, especially with the field assembled for the 5000 final (can't quite say the same for the 1500 final). However, with the field assembled for the 5000 final, I don't think it will be El G with the double win.
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Re: El G has a fellow countryman in the 5k....could he be th

Postby Guest » Sat Aug 30, 2003 10:57 am

Yes, I'll agree it would be one of the
>most impressive doubles, especially with the
>field assembled for the 5000 final (can't quite
>say the same for the 1500 final). However, with
>the field assembled for the 5000 final, I don't
>think it will be El G with the double win.


I agree. But if El G does it, it would be awesome.

Bekele's double would also be awesome and is expected, but not quite as awesome as if El. G. pulled it off. How do you break Bekele in the 5?
Probably not possible but it'll be fun to watch them try.
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Re: El G has a fellow countryman in the 5k....could he be th

Postby Randy Treadway » Sat Aug 30, 2003 11:12 am

International competitions at this level have seldom been schedule-friendly to 1500/5K doubles. They're set up for what the majority of entrants seem to want- that being 800/1500 doubles and 5K/10K doubles. (and occasionally 10K/Marathon doubles).

The answer is 100/400/1500/10K the first weekend, and 200/800/5K/Marathon the following weekend, but that never seems to work out with the TV networks. They want action spread throughout the week.

400/800 double wannabe's have the same problem- it's usually impossible (800 rounds on the same evening as the 400 final for instance).
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Re: El G has a fellow countryman in the 5k....could he be th

Postby DentyCracker » Sat Aug 30, 2003 11:12 am

We have to remember that these guys are human. After watching the women's 5k I think if Bekele does it, it will be as impressive as if El G does it. That 12:57 last 5k will have softened his legs up a bit. If there is an up and down pace it favours someone who hasn't doubled. Kenya are desperate for a gold. They have none so far. This is their last real chance. They have four in the race, they will make it very difficult. I expect to see team tactics. The Ethiopians have three so it should be very interesting. I hope someone decides to blaze away. At least in the men's 800 we know Dos Santos is going to take it out hard.
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Re: El G has a fellow countryman in the 5k....could he be th

Postby Randy Treadway » Sat Aug 30, 2003 11:15 am

Didn't the IAAF have to intercede in the schedule-making at prior big meets, to allow Michael Johnson a reasonable chance at a 200/400 double?
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Re: El G has a fellow countryman in the 5k....could he be th

Postby Guest » Sat Aug 30, 2003 9:59 pm

I would not call 1:54 a very slow first half. Come on now thats still sub 3:50 mile pace.
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Re: El G has a fellow countryman in the 5k....could he be th

Postby Guest » Sun Aug 31, 2003 4:41 pm

Great 5k. I never thought El G would beat both Bekele and Chebii yet not win! Very smart race by him -- he rightly judged that his penultimate lap would put those two away -- but in the end he was beaten by a phenomenal young athlete.

Congratulations, Kipchoge. Ulijaribu sana.
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Re: El G has a fellow countryman in the 5k....could he be th

Postby Guest » Sun Aug 31, 2003 4:58 pm

>Great 5k. I never thought El G would beat both
>Bekele and Chebii yet not win! Very smart race by
>him -- he rightly judged that his penultimate lap
>would put those two away -- but in the end he was
>beaten by a phenomenal young athlete.
>

Congratulations, Kipchoge. Ulijaribu sana.

Yes, a remarkable performance by all 5k medalists. Bekele had the balls to set the early tempo, El G.'s race plan was flawless and in the end the freshest legs prevailed. El G has now established himself as one of the best 5 guys in the world as well as the most dominant miler in history. This should give him a lot of confidence going into next year. Will the Athens schedule accomadate the 15/5? What about the 5/10?

This WC schedule was perfect and set up one of the most dramatic 5000s I've ever seen.
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Re: El G has a fellow countryman in the 5k....could he be th

Postby trackstar » Sun Aug 31, 2003 6:53 pm

What was that final mile split?
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Re: El G has a fellow countryman in the 5k....could he be th

Postby DentyCracker » Mon Sep 01, 2003 5:19 am

M5000m
1000m 1 423 Bekele Kenenisa ETH 2:31.94 2:31.94
2000m 1 423 Bekele Kenenisa ETH 5:07.27 2:35.33
3000m 1 423 Bekele Kenenisa ETH 7:45.44 2:38.17
4000m 1 807 Kipchoge Eliud KEN 10:28.46 2:43.02
5000m 1 807 Kipchoge Eliud KEN 12:52.79 2:24.33
Guesstimates follow
Straight extrapolation (1609.344/2000*5min 7.33secs) gives a 4:07.31 last mile
The better extrapolation (1*2:24.33 + 0.609344*2:43.02) gives a 4:03.67 last mile
It would be nice to see the actual last mile splitas they may have slowed in the 1st 400 of the penultimate 1000m which would mean it could have been faster than 4:03
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