Chase the A and B status


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Re: Chase the A and B status

Postby 26mi235 » Sat Jul 13, 2013 10:05 am

If you had that trifecta last June you would have won the Powerball-equivalent...
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Re: Chase the A and B status

Postby aaronk » Sat Jul 13, 2013 10:09 am

aaronk wrote:Cory McGee.......4:06.67!!!
Our women's 1500 team is Treniere Moser, Mary Cain, and.....CORY McGEE!!!!!


Forgot to include our Wild Card.....Jenny Simpson!! :oops:

26mi235 wrote:If you had that trifecta last June you would have won the Powerball-equivalent...


You're certainly correct on that!!
Most would've picked Uceny, Rowbury, and maybe CWT, with Simpson as the Wild Card.

Of course, after Cain started breaking records indoors, I saw her as WC possibility!! 8-)
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Re: Chase the A and B status

Postby Rothosen » Sat Jul 13, 2013 10:13 am

Extremely happy that Cory McGee cannot get bumped.
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Re: Chase the A and B status

Postby gh » Sat Jul 13, 2013 10:26 am

also means that Rowbury now runs the 5000.
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Re: Chase the A and B status

Postby az2004 » Sat Jul 13, 2013 11:11 am

lets say one of the current 1500 got hurt, I would presume rowbury is the fefailt back up for the team
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Re: Chase the A and B status

Postby booond » Sat Jul 13, 2013 11:22 am

Good for her. She'll need luck to get beyond the heats unless she reduces her PB some but you never know.
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Re: Chase the A and B status

Postby pickle47 » Sat Jul 13, 2013 11:27 am

My streaming died on the last lap of the 5k, but it looked like Ryan Hill was going to make sub-13:20.
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Re: Chase the A and B status

Postby Alan Sigmon » Sat Jul 13, 2013 11:30 am

Hill (who hails from Hickory, NC, where I sit typing this): 13:14.22
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Re: Chase the A and B status

Postby aaronk » Sat Jul 13, 2013 11:41 am

ALL the Americans got "A"'s today in the 5K.....

True..................13:11.59
Mead.................13:11.80
Bumbalough.........13:12.01
Hill...................13:14.22

Of course, Hill's was the important one, as this puts him on the team!!
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Re: Chase the A and B status

Postby TN1965 » Sat Jul 13, 2013 12:46 pm

Rothosen wrote:Extremely happy that Cory McGee cannot get bumped.


I bet Chelsea Riley is not very happy...
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Re: Chase the A and B status

Postby tandfman » Sat Jul 13, 2013 12:52 pm

Was Rowbury planning to run the 1500 and not the 5000 if McGee hadn't made the standard? If she was planning to run the 5000 all along, then what happened in the 1500 wouldn't have mattered to Reilly.
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Re: Chase the A and B status

Postby Fortius19 » Sat Jul 13, 2013 10:08 pm

Happy for Hill, but bummed for True, who got, not one, but two(!) fourth place finishes at USATF Nats. He was having a banner year until then.
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Re: Chase the A and B status

Postby Half Miler » Sat Jul 13, 2013 11:32 pm

tandfman wrote:Was Rowbury planning to run the 1500 and not the 5000 if McGee hadn't made the standard? If she was planning to run the 5000 all along, then what happened in the 1500 wouldn't have mattered to Reilly.


Rowbury had stated in an interview that she would prefer to contest the 1500.
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Re: Chase the A and B status

Postby az2004 » Sun Jul 14, 2013 4:09 am

I agree rowbury would have had a better chance in the 1500 over the 5k but the usa trial system means you you have your chance to peak in des moines, then again in moscow
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Re: Chase the A and B status

Postby Alan Shank » Sun Jul 14, 2013 1:23 pm

Cory McGee made the standard the hard way, IMO. According to the story on flrunners.com, she ran 63, 2:08, 3:16.53, so last 300 was 50.14, almost 67 pace. In her post-race interview, she said, "We went out at a ridiculous pace", and also that she thought the 400 was 60. To me, this indicates she can improve some more with better pacing. However, no need for that before the Worlds. Since she beat faster 1500 runners at Des Moines in that very slow race, she may be well suited for the heats in Moscow. Making the semis would be a good accomplishment for her.
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Re: Chase the A and B status

Postby Master Po » Sun Jul 14, 2013 2:36 pm

Fortius19 wrote:Happy for Hill, but bummed for True, who got, not one, but two(!) fourth place finishes at USATF Nats. He was having a banner year until then.


^ Yes.
Furthermore, I have a lot of respect for Ben True, throughout this year. I thought he ran a great, gutsy race at WXC; I was really impressed with his 6th place finish & leading his team to a silver medal. Even though I have been encouraged by those more venerable than me to see WXC as a glorified intramural meet engaged in by various sorts of nobodies, I still see it as a meaningful event and I was impressed by True's run there -- unafraid of the course, conditions, and competition. I was also impressed by his performances at USATF, though he fell short of the WC team in both. Finally, I was most impressed by what I saw as the athletic integrity of his run at Heusden. He knew what was at stake for him if Hill made the "A," and he could have either not run there at all or drifted back of Hill (and still run a solid time), but he was one of the leaders of the pack who kept the pace honest and led Hill to his 13:14. Finally, he was the first guy -- or one of the first -- to go over to Hill after the race and congratulate him on the success of his run. Ben True will not be representing USA in Moscow, but he is the sort of athlete I would be proud to have wearing that singlet.
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Re: Chase the A and B status

Postby az2004 » Mon Jul 15, 2013 9:24 am

McGee has an outside chance to advance a round in Moscow, but I do not give her a chance after that

maybe she gets sacrificed as a part of usa team tactics as all usa w1500 are in the mix, but not sure bets

simpson is strong but I do wonder abou her final 200 off a slow pace, so McGee makes the pace fast helps simpson

but cain lsst last off a slower pace might be her best bet
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Re: Chase the A and B status

Postby exdrake » Mon Jul 15, 2013 9:57 am

Great post Master Po.

What incredible sportsmanship by True to essentially rabbit the 2nd group with his spot at stake and, sure enough, Hill took his spot. It was practically an intentional "Julia Lucas move" ('12 trials womens 5000m).

I nearly posted (somewhat sarcastically), on the Hasay/Erdman thread and prior to the Hasay time-trial, that K. Goucher should rabbit them out of sportsmanship.

That type of thing seems a throwback to an earlier (much) era but ....here it was just days ago. I understand it is likely that his overriding goal was to get his own best time (which he did) but still..................
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Re: Chase the A and B status

Postby 26mi235 » Mon Jul 15, 2013 11:31 am

az2004 wrote:simpson is strong but I do wonder abou her final 200 off a slow pace, so McGee makes the pace fast helps simpson


You mean like when she won Gold, and is hence the defending champion?
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Re: Chase the A and B status

Postby booond » Mon Jul 15, 2013 11:57 am

26mi235 wrote:
az2004 wrote:simpson is strong but I do wonder abou her final 200 off a slow pace, so McGee makes the pace fast helps simpson


You mean like when she won Gold, and is hence the defending champion?


In case you missed it she's the one in front at the end.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0KZCvX40-MQ
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Re: Chase the A and B status

Postby 26mi235 » Mon Jul 15, 2013 12:22 pm

Of course, I did not miss it, I just thought it was a bit strange that after Simpson won off of a modest pace that she would not be touted for similar capabilities.

As for the video, she placed herself well and had moved up at every stage in the last 400m. She went a bit wide but appeared to want to keep her momentum and never faltered, gaining on everyone, except she kept a constant margin with England the last 50-80m.
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Re: Chase the A and B status

Postby booond » Mon Jul 15, 2013 12:40 pm

26mi235 wrote:Of course, I did not miss it, I just thought it was a bit strange that after Simpson won off of a modest pace that she would not be touted for similar capabilities.

As for the video, she placed herself well and had moved up at every stage in the last 400m. She went a bit wide but appeared to want to keep her momentum and never faltered, gaining on everyone, except she kept a constant margin with England the last 50-80m.


I figured you hadn't missed it.

I agree she went a little wide but she was the fastest runner on the track at that point. England did close a little but there wasn't much doubt in the ending.
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Re: Chase the A and B status

Postby Bob Duncan » Mon Jul 15, 2013 7:35 pm

exdrake wrote:I nearly posted (somewhat sarcastically), on the Hasay/Erdman thread and prior to the Hasay time-trial, that K. Goucher should rabbit them out of sportsmanship.

Yeah, take 'em out in about 72 pace and hold that as long as possible! :twisted:
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Re: Chase the A and B status

Postby gh » Tue Jul 16, 2013 5:29 am

our take on the current A-B sitch overall now posted to front page.
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Re: Chase the A and B status

Postby Alan Shank » Thu Jul 18, 2013 3:20 pm

So, when does Erdmann run her 10K?
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Re: Chase the A and B status

Postby aaronk » Thu Jul 18, 2013 3:28 pm

Alan Shank wrote:So, when does Erdmann run her 10K?
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Well, since I'm blocked from your screen, you probably won't see this, but for everyone else who's interested.....
Erdmann runs tomorrow at 9:45 p.m. PT at Jesuit HS......same site as Hasay's run.
No word on who the pacers will be....or who else might run 38 minutes in the same "race"!! :roll:
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Re: Chase the A and B status

Postby 26mi235 » Thu Jul 18, 2013 7:16 pm

Temp about 72, dew point 56, but wind at 11mph (5mps) (however, that is the wind speed 10m up; unfortunately, the stadium looks pretty open to the wind). Given some achilles problem, it probably will not matter; I would not be surprised with a DNF as she goes for the A and blows up and/or stresses the injury (which also has kept her from being in top shape).
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Re: Chase the A and B status

Postby tandfman » Fri Jul 19, 2013 2:02 pm

I gather that the men's discus throwers will be making one last attempt to qualify at Claremont Saturday, the last day of USATF's window. I wish them good luck.
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Re: Chase the A and B status

Postby bushop » Fri Jul 19, 2013 3:57 pm

tandfman wrote:I gather that the men's discus throwers will be making one last attempt to qualify at Claremont Saturday, the last day of USATF's window. I wish them good luck.

Yup.
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Re: Chase the A and B status

Postby aaronk » Fri Jul 19, 2013 6:52 pm

Just a reminder that Tara Erdmann's try for an A goes off in a bit less than 2 hours....at 9:45 Pacific time!
Flotrack will have full coverage....but believe you need to be a paying member....like I am! :)
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Re: Chase the A and B status

Postby pickle47 » Fri Jul 19, 2013 8:23 pm

Flotrack just messed with my subscription and locked me out. I'm curious how this will turn out, so any updates would be appreciated. Thx.
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Re: Chase the A and B status

Postby pickle47 » Fri Jul 19, 2013 9:07 pm

Looks like it's Flanagan, Hasay and Hastings.
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Re: Chase the A and B status

Postby Alan Shank » Fri Jul 19, 2013 9:16 pm

pickle47 wrote:Looks like it's Flanagan, Hasay and Hastings.


So, what was the result????
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Re: Chase the A and B status

Postby bushop » Fri Jul 19, 2013 9:19 pm

29:52 with 3 laps to go.
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Re: Chase the A and B status

Postby aaronk » Fri Jul 19, 2013 9:35 pm

A total disaster!!
I feel so much sympathy for Tara tonight!
A great runner in a lose-lose situation......she gave it her all!
Hopefully, she'll find what she needs......even if it means going in an entirely new direction......with an entirely new set of people helping her!!
I look forward to a GREAT career for a person who truly deserves more than she got tonight!!

Shalane Flanagan will be tough.
I strongly doubt Jordan Hasay will avoid getting lapped in Moscow.
Amy Hastings will be the unknown quantity....but if she can match her 31:10 from London, at least she won't embarrass herself.

And the REAL loser??
Well, Kara Goucher will be watching from afar!!
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Re: Chase the A and B status

Postby rsb2 » Fri Jul 19, 2013 10:27 pm

Wow, AK, that is one messed-up post...
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Re: Chase the A and B status

Postby aaronk » Fri Jul 19, 2013 11:15 pm

rsb2 wrote:Wow, AK, that is one messed-up post...


Maybe I was a bit over the top in my assessment, but I'm not the only one who thinks this whole Hasay/Erdmann Q chase was a disaster waiting to happen.
I just expressed my sentiments a bit more honestly than most folks have.

The only reason Hasay is going to Moscow is because she had the freedom to get EITHER an A or a B.
So she gets her B.
That put the burden on Tara.....who was forced to run alone to chase an A.
SHE didn't have that same freedom Hasay did....to get EITHER an A or a B.
She HAD to get the A.

Not saying she would have gone to Moscow if they'd run together.....but at least then the burden would have been equally distributed between them.
Running separately......even with pacers.....was putting each of them into a sterile TRAINING situation......where the needed RACE intensity and the adrenaline is missing....and you have to rely on your inner strength to get you to your goal.
If they'd had EACH OTHER to push them.....in a REAL RACE situation.......I think the outcome MIGHT have been different!!

So yes, I may have been too harsh in the WAY I expressed my thoughts....but the message was clear to me from the first day this thing was announced......it was a failure waiting to happen!!

As I said earlier, I wish Tara Erdmann all the success she deserves!!
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Re: Chase the A and B status

Postby Tuariki » Sat Jul 20, 2013 12:01 am

Hasay goes to Moscow because she deserves to go more than Erdmann; because she beat Erdmann; because she ran faster than Erdmann; because she ran the necessary qualifying times and Erdmann didn't. QED.

Erdmann isn't going because unfortunately, at the end of the day, she doesn't deserve to go; because she wasn't good enough; and sadly she didn't run fast enough. Any burden on Erdmann was put there by Erdmann.

So don't try to blame Hasay. It's not Hasay's fault. And Hasay owes nothing to Erdmann. It is no one's fault. It just is what it is.
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Re: Chase the A and B status

Postby Dutra5 » Sat Jul 20, 2013 4:18 am

aaronk wrote:
rsb2 wrote:Wow, AK, that is one messed-up post...


Maybe I was a bit over the top in my assessment,


Imagine that!

The only reason Hasay is going to Moscow is because she had the freedom to get EITHER an A or a B.


Which was earned by finishing second in the qualifying event.

She HAD to get the A.


...and she didn't.
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Re: Chase the A and B status

Postby Dutra5 » Sat Jul 20, 2013 4:19 am

Tuariki wrote:Hasay goes to Moscow because she deserves to go more than Erdmann; because she beat Erdmann; because she ran faster than Erdmann; because she ran the necessary qualifying times and Erdmann didn't. QED.

Erdmann isn't going because unfortunately, at the end of the day, she doesn't deserve to go; because she wasn't good enough; and sadly she didn't run fast enough. Any burden on Erdmann was put there by Erdmann.

So don't try to blame Hasay. It's not Hasay's fault. And Hasay owes nothing to Erdmann. It is no one's fault. It just is what it is.


Well said....particularly the last point.
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